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Glad i never drank a guinness in my life.

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Guinness 'considered being English'
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/guinness-considered-being-english-010608440.html

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DEFTLEFTHAND

flas wrote: »

you mean founded in kildare by a british man who hated this country and is on record as saying so?!

But just because he opposed the nationalist movement doesn't mean he hated Ireland. Take a modern look on it for instance, does a Scotsman who opposes a referendum on independence for Scotland hate his country also?

grenache

Despise Guinness/Diageo and everything they stand for. The whole association of Guinness with Irish tourism sickens me to the core. No other country sticks itself to one watery drink (Diageo water it down folks) like we do to Guinness. It cheapens the country.

Every time you drink a pint of watery Guinness, you send money out of the country and over to Henrietta Place in London. And when you give Diageo your hard earned cash, it allows them to continue producing more of their other bland tasting products - Smirnoff, Gordons, etc.

Next time you go to take a pint of stout, choose from one of the following: Porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX, O Hara's Leann Folláin, Shandon Stout, Dungarvan Blackrock Stout. You'll be getting a far superior stout than that mass produced watery $hite they brew at the Gate and you will also be supporting local indigenous industry and jobs by buying a truly Irish product.

Glassheart

Dynamo Roller1 wrote: »

There's nothing Irish about the name Guinness anyway, the McGuinness name is Scottish so get over it.

McGuinness and Guinness are gaelic Irish surnames

ezra_pound

Glassheart wrote: »

McGuinness and Guinness are gaelic Irish surnames

Mac Aonghusa

If Oscar Wilde can be celebrated as Irish then so can Guinness!

ezra_pound

Feelgood wrote: »

Interesting article about how Guinness helped the Brits defeat the 1916 Easter rising. I think it was even obvious back then that it was never an Irish product.

1916 Easter Rising

Most of the population including nationalists were opposed to the rising. the people of Dublin showered the captured insurgents with abuse as they were carried away.

RayCon

grenache wrote: »

Porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX,

Very nice stout

corktina

as ****e goes, it's better than a lot of other ****e. Not a real pint though is it?

discus

So it wasn't Arthur, it wasn't the whole company, it was 1 single executive who considered changing the Guinness allegience? Slow news day indeed.

Dravokivich

Guinness is no more British, than it is Irish. It's both.

Arthur considered himself an Irish Brit and proposed/advertised/acted on anything that could aid his business to thrive. There were social issues he help out Irish Catholics with, as well as social issues he opposed. The article linked in the OP does no more than to show that attitude towards protecting the business carried on through out the running of the company.

Annasopra

The Guinness family previously were fantastic employers and put a lot of money into local projects. They fave Dublin St Stephens Green. They set up st Patrick's hostel for the homeless, restored st Patrick's cathedral provided housing in the area and set up excellent health and social schemes for their employees. They paid for them to be further educated if they wished. They were ahead of their times as far as employment goes and it's genuinely sad that almost no employers exist like that today.

Odysseus

Ah now leave them alone, I got a scholarship from them when I was going for my degree.

Madam_X

dd972 wrote: »

Showing my age here but believe it or not, pre Father Ted, Jacks Army, Irish comedians, etc roughly before 1990 Irishness in Britain was regarded as naff and uncool.

Is it considered cool now or something?

Presume not much thought is put into it really. Probably wasn't something people thought much about over there pre 1990 either, apart from the political side of things.

Lapin wrote: »

Guinness is Pish. Nitrokeg pish.

The Brits are welcome to it. It is a British product anyway but they aren't stupid enough to claim it as theirs. The have real ales over there that leave Guinness in the dreggs.

We latch on to the muck because its such a huge worldwide brandname that originated here, and we don't have too many of those.

We like to think everyone else on the planet love Guinness in the same way we like to think everyone else on the planet loves wee likkle Oirland.

The truth is most people don't give a fúck.

And yet we drag foreign heads of state to pubs and brewerys to sample the pish because we want to show the rest of the world that we are famous for something. I'd prefer if we flew them in on Ryanair and fed them with some home grown spuds drowned in molten Kerrygold to name just a pair of true Irish brand names recognised globally.

And all the while the marketing execs at Diageo HQ (in London) are rubbing their hands together as they glance at the graph of sales figures rising higher thanks to the merry little leprachauns across the Irish Sea dancing obediantly to their tune.

Guinness is about as Irish as Korean Dog Chow Mein in soi sauce.

And its piss.

I and many others enjoy Guinness - we don't feel the need to analyse it or consider how "we" like it to be seen internationally as an Irish brand etc.

There really is a weird and unhealthy obsession here on Boards with how Irish people are viewed.

dj jarvis

grenache wrote: »

Despise Guinness/Diageo and everything they stand for. The whole association of Guinness with Irish tourism sickens me to the core. No other country sticks itself to one watery drink (Diageo water it down folks) like we do to Guinness. It cheapens the country.

Every time you drink a pint of watery Guinness, you send money out of the country and over to Henrietta Place in London. And when you give Diageo your hard earned cash, it allows them to continue producing more of their other bland tasting products - Smirnoff, Gordons, etc.

Next time you go to take a pint of stout, choose from one of the following: Porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX, O Hara's Leann Folláin, Shandon Stout, Dungarvan Blackrock Stout. You'll be getting a far superior stout than that mass produced watery $hite they brew at the Gate and you will also be supporting local indigenous industry and jobs by buying a truly Irish product.

ahem

scotch whiskey - Scotland
Larger - Belgium and Germany
Wine - France and Newzeland
Vodka - Poland and Russia

shall i go on ? many many countries associate a drink with their country and culture , not just us
so go away with your poxy " feckin stupid irish and thier ****ty drink "
does Diagio not employ LOADS of people in ireland _
do all the tourists the come Because of Guinness not support thousands of jobs
so what if the profit goes abroad , does this mean you dont shop in tescos or lidl ? do you not put fuel into your car that comes from outside Ireland or house heating oil ? where do you think that comes from? bally feckin mun ?
do you watch bbc or have sky ? where do you think the money goes ?

you are a product of what is truly awful about Ireland , not a poxy drink.
i tell ya , luckily for you whoopsydaisy spanked me recently , because if she had not , i would be looking at a life ban for what you and your mindless ilk should be called ( not pointed at the grenache in particular , more the type of post )
The world thinks its Irish , and done more good than harm
people have associated drunkenness with the Irish LONG LONG before Guinness showed up

dj jarvis

madam x

i could not agree more
the anti Irish stance from the Irish on boards just does my head in

ANY excuse to play down or belittle Ireland is taken at any chance

as if this are not bad enough as it is, without its own people kicking the place when it down

no wonder most with the brains or the cash have left , its not the country that is the problem , its the jokers that live in it

Sam Kade

bassy wrote: »

Never was a fan of Guinness,it is a pint of tarmacadam.
Had my 1st pint of Guinness at 20 not had once since and that's over 15 years ago.
The also say u need to drink a lot of them to get the desired effect,fook that.

Nobody likes their first pint of Guinness, It takes a lot of pints and time

[Deleted User]

sea_monkey wrote: »

it really is a slow news day

Quite the opposite actually, this is the one day of the year that we find out why things happened the way they did 30 years ago as the (confidential) archives are released.

A lot of skeletons will fall out of a few wardrobes over the next few days.

dj jarvis

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the opposite actually, this is the one day of the year that we find out why things happened the way they did 30 years ago as the (confidential) archives are released.

A lot of skeletons will fall out of a few wardrobes over the next few days.

you bet - i have been reading the irish ones as well as the British ones
well worth a read
most noticeable are the Falklands ones concerning the brits and the US
very good indeed

GLaDOS

I drink Guinness occasionally when I feel like a change from Lager in an all Diageo pub, but there are far superior stouts out there as mentioned in this thread. Never really associated it with my identity as an Irishman so these revelations don't affect my opinion on it in any way.

Shryke

Deleted User wrote: »

Quite the opposite actually, this is the one day of the year that we find out why things happened the way they did 30 years ago as the (confidential) archives are released.

A lot of skeletons will fall out of a few wardrobes over the next few days.

More vile evilness from Thatcher across the way, as you'd expect from her tbh.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/28/margaret-thatcher-role-plan-to-dismantle-welfare-state-revealed

dj jarvis

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I drink Guinness occasionally when I feel like a change from Lager in an all Diageo pub, but there are far superior stouts out there as mentioned in this thread. Never really associated it with my identity as an Irishman so these revelations don't affect my opinion on it in any way.

i agree , MUCH better beers and stouts on the market
but for it to be said that it make someone sick that Guinness is associated with Ireland is just madness

i am of a age that when i went abroad people used to say " ah - Irish bang bang ( al la IRA ) " , at least they just say Guinness and riverdance , and i know what one i would rather be associated with

FFS , the way some are going on about it , you would swear it is designed to posion children and bunny rabbits
it a mediocre drink owed by a global company + why such vitriol from some

Hippies!

Stupid thread.

WoollyRedHat

Lapin wrote: »

Which one? They have breweries all over the world horsing out the Paddy Juice.

No point in blowing up the one in Dublin.

You'd only be playing into their hands, They've been trying to get shot of the place for years.

All of them. Even so, I want to blow them up anyway and then record it all.
A river of guiness amongst scatterings of debris.

wadacrack

Guiness is puke

beaner88

sea_monkey wrote: »

it really is a slow news day

No, the 30 year records are of huge historical importance and are probably one of the most newsworthy days of the year. It's the only time we actually get an insight into global diplomatic relations albeit 30 years after the fact.

ElvisChrist6

Sure Beamish is better anyway; the Cork people got something right

Fuzzy_Dunlop

grenache wrote: »

Despise Guinness/Diageo and everything they stand for. The whole association of Guinness with Irish tourism sickens me to the core. No other country sticks itself to one watery drink (Diageo water it down folks) like we do to Guinness. It cheapens the country.

I think you will find that water is a rather key ingredient of all beer.

starlit

Don't it tastes rotten, like black coffee! Try stout instead!

gbee

Good on you.

Guinness was a commercial company spreading drug addiction for profit and over burdening our health system at no cost to itself with the side effects and economic loss through lost work days.

We should organise a class action and have this company struck off for selling mind altering drugs, full stop.

Especially as its not Irish anymore, too FaArter

stoneill

I'm just glad that I didn't invade the Falklands.

ezra_pound

Guinness is pretty good drink and I love having a few in the pub. The way some people on this thread are going on you'd swear it was Dutch gold. Theres loads of better beers but Guinness is a classic.

The Guinness family have done so much for the Irish nation.