Adyx wrote: » I notice you keep mentioning young men. What about the older men and women of all ages that utilise porn? Do they not fit your stereotype so you pretend it doesn't happen?
Christ the Redeemer wrote: » It's pictures and videos of people ****ing. Only cretinous religious types and hyper feminists oppose it.
philologos wrote: » I think it is. Firstly, it promotes treating people as sexual objects rather than in their fullness as human beings. Pornography is dehumanising and degrading. Secondly, it promotes an unnatural idea of sexuality. Namely that if people base their point of view of sexuality on pornography eventually they suspect that all their sexual encounters must of necessity be similar to this. Thirdly, if one is in a relationship or a marriage, pornography is essentially saying that you can't find full sexual satisfaction in your partner. Personally that's on par with marital infidelity to me. There's very little difference between this and actually having sex with someone else. If you desire someone else sexually and someone else is fulfilling your sexual desires in the case of marriage that's on par with adultery. Fourthly, pornography can be addictive and it can lead people into a pattern of behaviour that they never wanted to begin with. Sex addiction in any form can be extremely difficult to break without considerably willpower. Thankfully more and more people are starting to speak out against this and provide assistance to those who want it. Fifthly, no matter how much we deny it what we watch and what we listen to has an impact on how we view others around us. This is probably quite linked to the second point. People say that pornography insofar as it is private does no harm to society. The reality is that that isn't true. It mightn't cause direct harm (except in the case of marital situations, or in the case of a relationship where it will affect your partner directly) but I think it does cause indirect harm as our attitudes change towards women. Moreover I think that pornography, or even just lad's mags, the Sun and anything else that falls into the light-porn side of it produces in particular a sexist attitude towards women. Finally, pornography sexually exploits the actors in it. This is strongly linked to point 1 but I can't support an industry that profiteers from sexual exploitation. One doesn't know the full context behind those acting in it, and it is highly possible that in a number of cases that these people are in this against their will. Moreover, I think if many of us were to think "what if that was my daughter" their thoughts towards pornography as an industry would change. Feel free to pick these up with me. I disagree very strongly with the porn industry and think it is destructive. It doesn't free anything up. Pornography enslaves if anything.
Eramen wrote: » I happen to be a young man who is concerned about my peers
Icyseanfitz wrote: » oh ffs before porn it was dirty mags before dirty mags it was sexual imagery in painting and sculpture, before that it was paintings on cave walls, before that it was having an imagination, humans masturbate, we've been at it since we showed up in this world and society hasnt disappeared yet, its perfectly natural get over it
Brain Stroking wrote: » No need. Downloading torrents is an anonymous activity with no social niceties to observe.
Icyseanfitz wrote: » oh ffs before porn it was dirty mags before dirty mags it was having an imagination, humans masturbate, we've been at it since we showed up in this world and society hasnt disappeared yet, its perfectly natural get over it
Eramen wrote: » Porn/masturbation/orgasm addiction is not natural however, which seems to be the subject of the argument.
Eramen wrote: » My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings. I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.
TheoBane wrote: » "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks I Believe fully on what Hick's say's, What business is it of your's what i do as long as i don't harm or affect anyone else in this world. I think we need to set up meeting's for Control Freak's, put them all into a room and lock the door. See what happen's then.
TheoBane wrote: » "Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks
TheoBane wrote: » i don't harm or affect anyone else in this world. I think we need to set up meeting's for Control Freak's, put them all into a room and lock the door. See what happen's then.
philologos wrote: » Pornography is dehumanising and degrading.
Namely that if people base their point of view of sexuality on pornography eventually they suspect that all their sexual encounters must of necessity be similar to this.
Thirdly, if one is in a relationship or a marriage, pornography is essentially saying that you can't find full sexual satisfaction in your partner. Personally that's on par with marital infidelity to me. There's very little difference between this and actually having sex with someone else.
Pornography enslaves if anything.
granturismo wrote: » So saith the Youth Defence League.
Eramen wrote: » Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness.
Eramen wrote: » It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.
Eramen wrote: » Eh.. I presented scientific information to back my views. Irish people believe neither science, evidence, religion, ethical philosophy.. it's an animistic mindset. Irish men will amount to nothing as usual. Irish women should find a decent Polish man, as they still retain masculine traits due to not being infected with an effeminate inferiority complex and abject laziness. A real shame! I've come here and presented level-headed arguments yet you've proved incapable of debate or of being able to digest the material presented. You disagree with me, so call me "youth defense". It's retarded and lazy, just like your attitude to sex, enough said.
thebigbiffo wrote: » so masturbation addiction is not natural? Tell to to every 14 year old boy in the world and see how f'ucked up that'll make society. Would be harder than giving up heroin. They'd even **** in their sleep!
Eramen wrote: » Every 14 yo boy isn't getting the simulation he needs, that's why! Porn is a stimulant and results in very specific behavior patterns like all other stimulants. 14 yo boys aren't being challenged mentally or physically by computer games, FB or schooling, so they are resorting to other things that give them that high they so need, and not just orgasming. What they lack is real direction, encouraging and community, things that challenge and brings them to a new level of understanding to enable them to act as men. The current social and cultural norms have failed in regards to bringing up sound individuals. Look at all the violence, suicide, alcoholism and anti-social activity among men. It's a clear indication that something is very wrong. Yet it is ignored by most official sources, because men are now bottom of the pile. There is no hard value to be found in hollywood, social network sites and tv. These aren't adequate for a young man or teenager to measure himself against. It doesn't invite an attitude of reflection and action based on solid logic, responsibility or values. Look at most older Irish men - the possible destination of our youth - pub dwelling, gambling, organized sports chasers.. this is weakness. They have no social order and are not respected by their women, children, foreigners, the ruling class etc all with good cause. It's being that they are weak.. and I don't say that lightly. Modern Irish men are passive, apathetic, accepting of the unacceptable, excuse-makers, and above all push-overs all because they are afraid of responsibility and to take the bull by the horns. All I am saying is take control of yourself once more, as this is the way to actual character/skill building, to social responsibility, and lastly self-respect. Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country. This is the positive note I wish to bring to this whole argument. Try the No Fap challenge. If you think watching and **** to porn 'makes no difference' then you are wrong (in the vast majority of cases). Try it out and you can see for yourself. Check out the links in my sig, some of them at least will be appealing to you depending on who you are.
Eramen wrote: » Every 14 yo boy isn't getting the simulation he needs, that's why! Porn is a stimulant and results in very specific behavior patterns like all other stimulants. 14 yo boys aren't being challenged mentally or physically by computer games, FB or schooling, so they are resorting to other things that give them that high they so need, and not just orgasming. What they lack is real direction, encouraging and community, things that challenge and brings them to a new level of understanding to enable them to act as men. The current social and cultural norms have failed in regards to bringing up sound individuals. Look at all the violence, suicide, alcoholism and anti-social activity among men. It's a clear indication that something is very wrong. Yet it is ignored by most official sources, because men are now bottom of the pile. There is no hard value to be found in hollywood, social network sites and tv. These aren't adequate for a young man or teenager to measure himself against. It doesn't invite an attitude of reflection and action based on solid logic, responsibility or values. Look at most older Irish men - the possible destination of our youth - pub dwelling, gambling, organized sports chasers.. this is weakness. They have no social order and are not respected by their women, children, foreigners, the ruling class etc all with good cause. It's being that they are weak and comically trivial.. and I don't say that lightly. Modern Irish men are passive, apathetic, accepting of the unacceptable, excuse-makers, and above all push-overs all because they are afraid of responsibility and to take the bull by the horns. All I am saying is take control of yourself once more, as this is the way to actual character/skill building, to social responsibility, and lastly self-respect. Overcoming Porn/Masturbation/Orgasm addiction is but one facet in gaining a new control over oneself and your environment. It's one of the keys to regain ourselves, our society and our country. This is the positive note I wish to bring to this whole argument. Try the No Fap challenge. If you think watching and **** to porn 'makes no difference' then you are wrong (in the vast majority of cases). Try it out and you can see for yourself. Check out the links in my sig, some of them at least will be appealing to you depending on who you are.
Eramen wrote: » My peers are the young men who are fed up with wasting their time on porn, who want to more productive, and who no longer want to take the time to rate women based on idiotic criteria. Look at the way this country is.. socially and culturally, the men are downright weaklings.
Eramen wrote: » I'm interested in men who want to regain their masculinity, so perhaps its not yourself that has my interest. It's cool if your not up to the challenge, you're missing out though. Enjoi the torrents.
