Am Chile wrote: » Post budget-on various Internet forums/facebook threads I see a lot of angry people-it seems to me people want some form of action-just putting forward a suggestion to discuss-besides taking to the streets and marching-what if someone were to set up a facebook page to organise for a certain date for everyone with withdraw all their funds and savings from the banks/credit unions etc to organise a run on financial institutions in Ireland-please discuss what do you people think of a protest of this kind ?
lugha wrote: » So do you think if they did cap these large pensions that would solve our problems and we could undo all the austerity measures and bid adieu to property tax?
tayto lover wrote: » No but it might pay as much as the Carers respite money. That was just a pure scummy thing to do. I bet it will be reversed too. I am waiting for the Labour lads to jump ship one by one when their consciences kick into gear.
Hijpo wrote: » And pay 160 quid for 3 channels where 70% of the shows are repeats? If you cant afford your taxes then: 1. Stay in and dont socialise 2. Get rid of your TV 3. Get rid of your internet 4. Sell your laptop 5. Get rid of your pets 6. Stop smoking Repeat after me: Live to work, to pay your taxes
dxhound2005 wrote: » Someone with Sky can cancel but keep their dish. That gets more than 3 channels. Have a look here, the F under System Encryption indicates Free To Air.http://www.lyngsat.com/Eutelsat-28A-and-Astra-1N-2A-2B-2F.html
tayto lover wrote: » T.V. is only good for certain sports, nature programmes and pure comedy like Vincent Browne going to town on Fine Gael T.D.'s Haven't seen Enda on his show yet.
Hijpo wrote: » Ah lovely, sky news or eastenders hmm theres a difficult situation. i take it you have free to air because UPC and Sky are not worth the money? How many of those channels interest you?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » I found a completely legit loophole for the Property Tax. You are exempt if your home is a "mobile home, vehicle or a vessel". I'm getting a caravan.
Bishop_Donal wrote: » Anyone do an analysis of the Revenue powers for collection of the Local Property Tax (and Household Charge arrears)? As Pat McArdle said yesterday morning "they (Revenue) are going to be good at this". I just hope the 'Don't Register, Don't Pay' crew will be there to support (i.e. to pay the penalties) all of those they convinced to break the law now. A lot of these people used be compliant taxpayers and now they find themselves in this mess.
Fair point. TBH, if I was in that zone I'd cut my income to just sub 60k, that way the actual cost would be smaller and the tax man would take the hit instead
Ghandee wrote: » Did you not make a suggestion that you would try and avoid paying your dues when it comes to taxes on the budget thread bishop? Troll failure, instead of winding anyone up now, your just looking a bit silly
tayto lover wrote: » Yes the Revenue will probably have to turn their backs on those "black economy" people who are cleaning up in order to chase up the Property Tax victims. A good time to be doing nixers no doubt.
Bishop_Donal wrote: » Funnily enough, I don't think it will actually consume that much Revenue Resource!! It's not that complicated, but we'll see how they get on! That said, it will probably trigger a full audit of a percentage of the defaulters (as it obviously is flag/trigger re: their approach to compliance). That will certainly detract them from some of their other work or else they'll have to staff up the audit function. However it will probably be profitable (and may catch a share of the folk doing the nixers themselves!!).:D
tayto lover wrote: » Nah. The Black Economy has always thrived in Ireland. Don't we even pay unvouched expenses for lads living beside the Dail and claiming mileage from places as far as Kerry.
Bishop_Donal wrote: » Paying unvouched expenses for lads living beside the Dail is not the Black Economy!!! I neither agree with or support a law that facilitates it, but contrary to your inference, it isn't the Black Economy.
bgrizzley wrote: » why would that scare you Donal(and DX)? personally i could care less about a full audit, i have never hid anything from the revenue in my life(and ive heard nothing but good things about the way the conduct their audits). i still wont pay this tax though. Hmmm. its strange someone would think its something to be worried about....
lugha wrote: » Most people would lose some or all of their savings. Even sensibly run banks would not be able to cope if all depositors demanded their money back at once. What do you think such a protest would achieve?
tayto lover wrote: » Not going to argue with you but I believe the 4 th line down describes "unvouched" expenses. I heard a lady yesterday state on the radio that she had worked as a civil servant dealing with mileage claims in the Dail and many of them were unwritten i.e. just a number mentioned to her for the claim. Very shoddy if true. Five specific underground economies can be identified as Black Economy: criminal acts the illegal economy the unreported economy the unrecorded economy the informal economy
dxhound2005 wrote: » We only have media reports to rely on at present. They say that defaulters could be named in the quarterly lists. Just the normal regulations which apply to tax collection and much less harsh than in some other countries where you could have your house seized in default of property tax.http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1207/new-property-tax-bill-gives-revenue-more-powers-business.html The Revenue Commissioners will also be given power to direct the Minister for Social Protection to deduct the property tax from a liable persons welfare payments. Welfare recipients can also elect to have the tax deducted by the Department of Social Protection. Revenue can also come after money due under payments to farmers and food producers from the Department of Agriculture, Food and Fisheries. And the Minister for Finance is enabled to make orders deducting at source the property tax from any other form of payment from a government department or a state agency. Because the Local Property Tax will be treated like any other tax due for collection by the Revenue Commissioners, the full range of revenue powers under the 1997 Tax consolidation Act will apply to its collection. This may make those who do not pay and who are subject to settlement proceeding liable to having their name and address published on the Revenue Defaulters List. Non-payment of the tax will also prevent the issue of a tax clearance certificate
Am Chile wrote: » On various Internet threads I read people saying the trade unions here aren,t organising or mobilsing its members on the streets-the only union that was 100 % against the household charge and called for non payment was Unite-but what can we do about the rest of them ? our trade union officials seem to have no desire or Interest to defend the Interests of its ordinary members- I think the only tactic to use that will motivate trade union officials to act and help its members fight next years property tax is the following- (1) my proposal is for a campaign by the rank and file ordinary union members to threaten to withdraw membership and stop paying membership fees to their union unless they get off fence and resist next years property tax- (2) I have a second suggestion regarding the trade unions-Anyone who is a SIPTU member, read this carefully, apparently 1 euro from your SIPTU contributions very week goes directly to the Labour party. If you do not want your union fees contributing funds to these working class traiters then go to the SIPTU site and download a form called a POLITICAL FUND EXEMPTION NOTICE and send it back to them. Time to hit these Labour scum in the pocket as they have done to us.
K-9 wrote: » The amount would come nowhere near the threshold for publication.
