Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Whatever you say, however you try and manipulate it, invading someone's privacy when they're lying dying or dead on the street and before their nearest and dearest have been informed is grotesque.

As sick as it might seem to some, in a public place taking a photo is not an invasion of privacy.

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Besides, why would anyone WANT those images on their phones? I imagine most of the witnesses would pay good money to have those images erased from their minds.

I imagine they could be useful to the Gardai and press.

conorhal wrote: »

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorality

Amoral should not be confused with immoral, which refers to an agent doing or thinking something he or she knows or believes to be wrong.

conorhal wrote: »

The really sad thing is that, like smash, they are utterly oblivious to that fact.

Because I objected to the fact that you'd want to attack someone? Please...

runawaybishop

WindSock wrote: »

Best thing to do is to use your phone to film the people with their phones. They'll soon stop.

This is the superior suggestion.

Mental Mickey wrote: »

You're right. There are some seriously f**ked up people around.

The really sad thing is that, like smash, they are utterly oblivious to that fact.

conorhal wrote: »

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

Description of anybody filming this event, description of the kind of person more concerned about a mobile phone then another human being.

When does such a thing become unacceptable to you, if it's child? If it's your child?

Grow up.

You're right. There are some seriously f**ked up people around.

smash wrote: »

So assault, theft and destruction of property... And they should be ashamed of themselves?

And "an amoral looser"... Maybe you should look that up

a·mor·al
/Adjective
Lacking a moral sense; unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something.

Description of anybody filming this event, description of the kind of person more concerned about a mobile phone then another human being.

When does such a thing become unacceptable to you, if it's child? If it's your child?

Grow up.

Lollipops23

smash wrote: »

So assault, theft anf destruction of property... And the should be ashamed of themselves?

And "an amoral looser"... Maybe you should look that up

Who says they're ok either...? People are capable of doing several terrible things at once you know...

Whatever you say, however you try and manipulate it, invading someone's privacy when they're lying dying or dead on the street and before their nearest and dearest have been informed is grotesque.

Besides, why would anyone WANT those images on their phones? I imagine most of the witnesses would pay good money to have those images erased from their minds.

balkieb2002

Was heading down Nassau street towards Grafton street direction after work and I normally walk on the side of the street it happened to avoid all the people queuing for buses but decided not to yesterday.

Thankfully I missed this incident by few mins. Couple of emergency vehicles had just arrived but I saw loads of people standing around (some with their phones out

) and the bus stopped at the junction. Thank fúck I didn't stop to see what had actually happened as I was in a rush and had just thought it was just a car accident or something. I came back that way later on in the night and was surprised to see the area still blocked off but then saw a tent near the bus and figured something terrible had happened.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Does that apply to gutter press journalists?

It should. B@st&rd$

The Recliner

On the lunchtime news they are saying that the believe they have identified the poor guy

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Does that apply to gutter press journalists?

The Levinson enquiry would suggest, yes. What kind of amoral scumbag hacks the phone of a dead child?

castletownman

This accident brings back memories of a similar experience I witnessed a number of years ago. Was waiting to board a plane in Dallas airport when there was a huge commotion of airport security and EMT's rushing onto the runway. Some poor man was fixing one of the airport vehicles that move the luggage from the plane to the carousel when it collapsed on top of him and killed him instantly. Now I only saw the aftermath whereby his body was just lying there on the runway, and I was a good distance away from the incident, but I must have been only 11 or 12 at the time and it's something that's still etched on my brain.

With that in mind I can emphatise with those who bore witness to yesterday's events, especially considering how up close and personal it would have been for them. Would wish it on anyone.

fasttalkerchat

conorhal wrote: »

Where did I say lay a hand on anybody?

I said take their phone and smash it. Then tell them they should be ashamed of what an amoral looser they are.

Does that apply to gutter press journalists?

conorhal wrote: »

Where did I say lay a hand on anybody?

I said take their phone and smash it. Then tell them they should be ashamed of what an amoral looser they are.

So assault, theft and destruction of property... And they should be ashamed of themselves?

And "an amoral looser"... Maybe you should look that up

Lollipops23 wrote: »

It's a very sad indictment on society when it becomes acceptable to snap away at the scene of a horrific accident like this. I genuinely don't know how people can witness it and their first thought is to whip out their phone...I don't understand the process behind it at all...

Lack of common sense, perhaps?

Rabbitt

smash wrote: »

You're right... We should just beat them up!

I think the debate is good regarding people's reactions and what's right and what's wrong.
Personally I wouldn't take a pic but I wouldn't try beat someone up who did. Do I think it's a step too far taking a pic? Yes but funnily enough id probably look at a photo. I don't know why that is, probably a weird " am I a man , can I handle it " thing. We don't walk about streets expecting to see a horrific accident so we can't really explain are reactions afterwards be them right or wrong .
Either way it's horribly horribly sad. I pray to god the man went quick with minimal pain.

Again , praise to the man who covered him .

Lollipops23

smash wrote: »

What someone does with their phone has nothing to do with you at all. Mind your own business and don't act like a scumbag by attacking them. Can't believe you're calling others psychopaths!

It's a very sad indictment on society when it becomes acceptable to snap away at the scene of a horrific accident like this. I genuinely don't know how people can witness it and their first thought is to whip out their phone...I don't understand the process behind it at all...

smash wrote: »

You're right... We should just beat them up!

Where did I say lay a hand on anybody?

I said take their phone and smash it. Then tell them they should be ashamed of what an amoral looser they are.

conorhal wrote: »

People that that demean us all, as do you. They should be rightly challenged.

If you want to film something, film the perps.

You're right... We should just beat them up!

seamus

Reoil wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised that they're still trying to identify the guy. It makes me think it was either a tourist or a foreigner - in the idea that it's somebody who wouldn't necessarily have somebody close to them to contact the police when they didn't arrive home yesterday evening.

Tourists or foreigners would be identified quite quickly - as said above they'll be carrying some form of ID, but it's also rare for someone to be travelling on their own and not be in contact with anyone. So they're noticed missing quite quickly.

Homeless people on the other hand effectively live off the grid and unless they spend all of their time with a spouse, then they're unlikely to be reported missing by their friends or associates, since they would be well used to disappearing for days or weeks at a time.
Word on the street at the moment is that this was a homeless man. Once they know who he is, chances are the Gardai will have known him well (even just from moving him on) and will know his typical friends/associates. At that point they should be able to identify the two guys involved.

greenheart wrote: »

Yeah tbh I found that hard to believe, after seeing something so distressing, someone's first taught would be to take pictures. I hope not.
I hope they identify him soon, imagine family members not knowing and reading about it online and in threads like this.

This. 1000 times this.

Chocoholic84

Update from www.rte.ie

Gardaí are searching for two men in connection with the death of a man in Dublin city centre yesterday.
The man died at the junction of Dawson Street and Nassau Street.
Gardaí believe he was involved in a confrontation at around 5.40pm and either fell, was punched or pushed on to the road where he was hit by a bus.
The man, who is thought to be in his 20s, sustained severe head injuries and died at the scene.
Gardaí are treating his death as suspicious.
Two men who were both wearing hoodies and tracksuits, are being sought in connection with the incident.
Gardaí have appealed to them or anyone with information to contact Pearse Street Garda Station.
They have also spoken to a number of witnesses and are gathering CCTV footage from the shops, businesses and city council cameras in the area.
Dublin Bus is also carrying out an inquiry.
A spokesperson said the bus driver was treated in hospital for shock, but no passengers on the bus were injured.
A forensic examination of the scene was carried out this morning.
A post mortem examination is due to be carried out on the dead man today.
There is a diversion around Dawson Street for northbound routes, but southbound services are not affected.

What a tragedy, my condolences to the victim + his family, and thoughts also with the driver and any bystanders.

To anyone who was taking pics at the scene, ye are sick twisted individuals, and while I wouldn't have stamped on your phone, I would certainly have given you a piece of my mind! :mad: :mad:

smash wrote: »

What someone does with their phone has nothing to do with you at all. Mind your own business and don't act like a scumbag by attacking them. Can't believe you're calling others psychopaths!

People like that demean us all, as do you. They should be rightly challenged.

If you want to film something, film the perps.

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Reoil wrote: »

I'm a bit surprised that they're still trying to identify the guy. It makes me think it was either a tourist or a foreigner - in the idea that it's somebody who wouldn't necessarily have somebody close to them to contact the police when they didn't arrive home yesterday evening.

A few years a young doctor was killed on her way to work at the Westmoreland Street/O'Connell bridge junction. Her bike went under a lorry, it took couple of weeks before she was IDed.

conorhal wrote: »

I might, as only a sociopath films a headless corpes, it's not stopped me before though, and what does it say about somebody that throws you under a bus for an iPhone, except to confirm what loathesome scum they are in the first place? But you carry on defending the indefensible, you're doing a good job! Well done!

What someone does with their phone has nothing to do with you at all. Mind your own business and don't act like a scumbag by attacking them. Can't believe you're calling others psychopaths!

anhedonia

seems to have been a serious amount of bus and train accidents lately:

girl lost her hands in Dun laoghaire
another girl died in Dun laoghaire
train driver in england killed a drunk girl who was leaning on the carriage.
Guy in new york pushed onto tracks and killed by train.
this guy with dublin bus.

there's been a few more as well that I cant think of, its weird.

RIP, so sad.

greenheart

Ophelia Curved Zap wrote: »

Thank you, apologies if what I said was blunt, still a bit in shock from it.

I can't say I noticed anyone taking photos, to be honest from what I saw no one could stand to be near his body or even stay looking. I have an awful lot of respect for the man who first covered his upper body with his hi vis. He was the first to make that kind of move, to give him some dignity and decorum and stop others from becoming tramuatised. I know I couldn't bring myself to go any closer.

Yeah tbh I found that hard to believe, after seeing something so distressing, someone's first taught would be to take pictures. I hope not.
I hope they identify him soon, imagine family members not knowing and reading about it online and in threads like this.

pontia

you would swear people had spent 6 months fighting in the jungle in vietnam,it was a traffic accident