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The elephant in the room thread.

carchaeologist

Ill kick this off with the rotten cars for sale today.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4244934

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4244125

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4243868

This guy will even dump the shell for you after you buy it, nice of him.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4240107

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Thinkingaboutit

corktina wrote: »

indeed and the State could be earning from this rather than some chancer with an old book. Personal plates are big business elsewhere.

Allowing resale of old plates like in England might have a bad effect on more basic classics with nice plates, although given that pre 87 cars or even cars with the post 87 and pre 91 non EU plate, are rare, it hardly matters. Anyhow I cannot say I would care if my Wolseley had 71-D-XXXX instead of some ZV plate.

corktina

indeed that is the downside of it, you see many classics in the UK with an "S" as the middle letter on the plate, an almost sure sign that the original plate has been robbed for some Beemer or Merc.

MrFoxman360

I have had a few old rusty classics which I broke for parts and then scrapped, I regularly would get calls wondering if I have a tax book for classics, particularly big jags.

In ireland, the taxbook and reg of a vehicle refers to the shell, or a chassis if its seperate from the body.

Whats the legal procedure if you, for instance, replace the chassis on a series Landrover with a brand new galvaised one.

macplaxton

MrFoxman360 wrote: »

Whats the legal procedure if you, for instance, replace the chassis on a series Landrover with a brand new galvaised one.

Re-register it?

hi5

^^ Its not everyday you see that kind of honesty.
Is that a heritage body, those panel gaps dont look great?

carchaeologist

hi5 wrote: »

^^ Its not everyday you see that kind of honesty.
Is that a heritage body, those panel gaps dont look great?

Must be, but the reg suggests it was registered here 'new' in 1989?

Capri

So there's one honest guy willing to pay over the odds for tax

- but IMO IF the Revenue had a sliding scale of tax over 15 years, over 30 years THEN they might actually earn money from people who are prepared to pay a 'fair' rate of tax etc. People will say 'ther'll be cheats', so increase the fine for cheats ONCE A FAIR SYSTEM IS IN PLACE ????

Capri

This guy seems to have perfected the chassis swop -
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/3182133 :rolleyes:

corktina

i thought the first bit of a Landy to rot was the chassis...

Basil Fawlty

Depends on the car and the life its led. Chassis are usually never beyond repair with replacement sections being readily available.

Basil Fawlty

Capri wrote: »

This guy seems to have perfected the chassis swop -
http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/3182133 :rolleyes:

Actually he has, as he is now using Discovery II bodies on the vintage chassis's he imports. The body mounts are the same.

Also its swap not swop.

John Larkin

ciarancapri wrote: »

Actually he has, as he is now using Discovery II bodies on the vintage chassis's he imports. The body mounts are the same.

Also its swap not swop.

The spelling "swop" is the older English form of the word. It is less used nowadays than "swap" but it is not an incorrect spelling.

2cv

Confab wrote: »

Why does the ZV plate thing matter so much anyway? I've always wondered why some people get sniffy over the issue,. Surely a licence plate is a licence plate?

I'm with you on that one. A plate is just that, a plate, with a number on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

corktina

2cv wrote: »

I'm with you on that one. A plate is just that, a plate, with a number on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

it's partly the look of it but mostly (for a sub 30 yr old car) VRT avoidance...which is a crime

2cv

corktina wrote: »

it's partly the look of it but mostly (for a sub 30 yr old car) VRT avoidance...which is a crime

I understand... but i really fail to understand people's problems with ZV plates....

corktina

2cv wrote: »

I understand... but i really fail to understand people's problems with ZV plates....

for me, the problem is row upon row of cars at a show, all with ZV numbers...

2cv

corktina wrote: »

for me, the problem is row upon row of cars at a show, all with ZV numbers...

Maybe you should admire the car and not the reg?

corktina

I've a keen interest in history...I like to learn the why and wherefore of things....if you go to an Irish car show, you learn the history of motoring ...

IN THE UK!

2cv

corktina wrote: »

I've a keen interest in history...I like to learn the why and wherefore of things....if you go to an Irish car show, you learn the history of motoring ...

IN THE UK!

Well in that case maybe we should introduce a system of Apartheid... Have shows for cars on original irish reg and separate shows for imported cars. Maybe make owners of imported cars sit on the back of the bus as well? Unless you have any other suggestions? LOL

And besides, with all the ringing going on, how many of those "original irish cars" are genuinely irish?

2cv

corktina wrote: »

I've a keen interest in history...I like to learn the why and wherefore of things....if you go to an Irish car show, you learn the history of motoring ...

IN THE UK!

Another note... I have three vintage cars, one on ZV (a 1977 car imported in 2007) and two "original irish" cars (one 1975 car imported in 1979 and a 1966 car imported in 1978). How would you view those?

corktina

well if they are 2cv's...from a distance.... :-)

2cv

corktina wrote: »

well if they are 2cv's...from a distance.... :-)

none of them are 2CV's actually

macplaxton

2cv wrote: »

corktina wrote: »

well if they are 2cv's...from a distance.... :-)

none of them are 2CV's actually

Keep up Corky! One is a ZF plate DAF 44

2cv wrote: »

Well in that case maybe we should introduce a system of Apartheid... Have shows for cars on original irish reg and separate shows for imported cars. Maybe make owners of imported cars sit on the back of the bus as well?

Fantastic idea Dave!

How about a 3rd class for Nissan Figaros? (They could sit on outside of the bus)

[runs off fast before being tarred and feathered]

2cv

macplaxton wrote: »

Keep up Corky! One is a ZF plate DAF 44

You raise a valid point

bbsrs

corktina wrote: »

I've a keen interest in history...I like to learn the why and wherefore of things....if you go to an Irish car show, you learn the history of motoring ...

IN THE UK!

IMO museums are for recording and preserving history , car shows are for looking at cars ,doesn't matter where they originate at least to me anyways.

corktina

even if they dilute the authenticity of Irish Motor History? To look at ,say, Cortinas here, you would think that the 1600E and 2000 GXL were the most common on our roads whereas in truth a 1300 with a bench seat is nearer the mark and all-but extinct.

2cv

Authenticity of the Irish Motor Industry?

OK, we should divide classic cars up into 6 different categories so:

Category 1: Cars that were built in Ireland and originally registered here
Category 2: Cars that were built outside of Ireland and registered here from new
Category 3: Cars that were first registered outside of Ireland but were imported before 1987 and therefore have the old style registration plates
Category 4: Cars that were brought in and had original irish plates put on (so called ringers)
Category 5: Cars that were brought in and registered on year plates (78-C-...)
Category 6: Cars that were brought in and registered on ZV plates

Am i missing any?

Should we organise different shows for these categories maybe?

There are less than 25,000 vintage/veteran cars on our roads. Isn't it about time that we stop the number plate snobbery and start enjoying each others cars, regardless of what number is on it?

**rant over**

Sam Russell

macplaxton wrote: »

Re-register it?

That car could have been imported in 1989 (late) and have been given the next number. It may have been a mistake.

macplaxton

Sam Russell wrote: »

That car could have been imported in 1989 (late) and have been given the next number. It may have been a mistake.

No it was confirmed as a re-shell & re-reg according to Jack.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76779748&postcount=13

Sam Russell

macplaxton wrote: »

No it was confirmed as a re-shell & re-reg according to Jack.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76779748&postcount=13

If he had done the reshell in the UK, and used all the original major bits (engine, gear box, diff etc.) he would have retained the original identity of the car. He could then import it into Ireland with that identity.