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BidillyBo

Could someone who doesn't believe in aliens have a look at this and tell me how they don't think there could be any other life as or more intelligent than us out there. Universe pretty dam big. http://api.ning.com/files/U**Gm5XEdF7NTYFEzKAeUNUbomfR2l-sSY0YiSDsMRlxXexviDSmMNwc5yr4b0ZPcl7B1H6C0U5OGRqqDS6q8*Yj9NIjN7rZ/StarSizeChart.jpg

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lucylu

OP they are not aliens just coloured spots...its ok really

CruelCoin

BidillyBo wrote: »

Maybe it has found us and decided not to interrupt us and potentially introduce us to more problems. The same kind of way that When we go to remote, primeval tribes in the Forrest and introduce them to our ways of capitalism and everything else it never ends well

Yup, they were so much better off practicing voodoo, chewing bark, lacking education, etc.

ScumLord

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

As much as I am emphatically in favour of space exploration, don't you think that's a little alarmist?

No, we are running out of resources, that's a fact. Earth can only provide us with so much it's a contained system and our economies dictate we consume more and more each day. That's a fact of the global economies.

Irishcrx wrote: »

It's almost too perfect isn't it?

No, nothing about life on earth is perfect, if you watch "inside natures giants" there's excellent explanations towards how flawed some of our most amazing animals are. There are evolutionary workarounds to problems that seem dumb taken from the perspective of human design.

The sun is exactly the right distance away to keep us alive but not ingulf us, the moon pulls and sways our massive oceans ,

There are billions more solar systems where this isn't the case. We just happen to live in a time where our moon is at a beneficial distance from the earth. It is constantly moving away from earth. It has been much closer in he past and will be much further away in the future.

our teeth are perfect for what we eat ,

Hamburgers? Our teeth are pretty crappy, we had to come up with cooking to make them work.

our body hair keeps us warm

It doesn't really, our hair and skin evolved to keep us cool.

BidillyBo wrote: »

Maybe it has found us and decided not to interrupt us and potentially introduce us to more problems.

I think this is the most likely scenario. I think the only benefit aliens can get out of humans is watching a sentient species evolve. There's nothing else about earth that holds any value to an interstellar species.

Maximus Alexander

ScumLord wrote: »

No, we are running out of resources, that's a fact. Earth can only provide us with so much it's a contained system and our economies dictate we consume more and more each day. That's a fact of the global economies.

Woah there horsey. If you're going to make bold claims of 'fact', then you're going to need to do a lot of work to back that up. Including:

- Explicitly define the resources in question.

- Demonstrate that these natural resources are certain to run out, as opposed to projected to run out at current consumption rates.

- Demonstrate that these resources cannot possibly be recovered through any earthbound process.

- Demonstrate that similar resources cannot possibly be synthesised through any earthbound process.

- Demonstrate that it is categorically not possible to find any alternative method to recover resources from space, which does not require those resources.

Hint: We need hydrogen, oxygen and metal to get to space. We aren't going to run out of any of those any time soon.

Capt'n Midnight

Drakares wrote: »

In the 1960s, a professor at Cornell named Frank Drake, excited by such whopping numbers, worked out a famous equation designed to calculate the chances of advanced life in the cosmos based on a series of diminishing probabilities....

yet even with the most conservative inputs the number of advanced civilizations just in the Milky Way always works out to be somewhere in the millions. - Copied this from a book I read, found it interesting nontheless

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Drake

*Removes tinfoil hat*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox - is the answer to that
Fermi's Paradox is the contradiction between the high estimation of extraterrestrial life in the universe outside of earth and the lack of hard evidence of such life.

https://xkcd.com/718/ Statistics suggest that there should be tons of alien encounter stories, and in practice there are tons of alien encounter stories. This is known as Fermi's Lack-of-a-Paradox.

Yakult

I hope life is found in space before I die. Has to be other living forms out there, somewhere living happily until humans intervene ****ing **** up as we do.

djflawless

what if there is other life forms, but we actually end up being the intelligent ones who find them????
for all we know theres an alien caveman smearing sh!it on a wall to try make a painting for his mate.
other world life forms could already be here and we just think they evolved from blobs on earth some millions of years ago

Andrewf20

Its interesting to think that possibly there were life forms nearby us that went extinct 100 million years ago, or that there could be communication signals already on their way to us now as we speak from distant galaxies who's intelligent life forms have actually gone extinct since.

ScumLord

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Woah there horsey. If you're going to make bold claims of 'fact', then you're going to need to do a lot of work to back that up. Including:

Helium.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-the-world-is-running-out-of-helium-2059357.html

Phosphorous
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-phosphorus-chris-2010-4?op=1

These are just two examples but the fact is, we have a limited amount of every element. There's only so much iron, there's only so much oxygen, there's only so much hydrogen. It's all limited, we either find new sources or we find ways to be very resourceful with what we have.

FanadMan

joydivision wrote: »

Might be but I reckon if the big bang happened like they say it did . We are just as evolved as them . So we wont meet them in our lifetime.

Not necessarily - if a lifeform on another planet didn't "get religion" or greed they would be centuries ahead of where we are.

ScumLord

FanadMan wrote: »

Not necessarily - if a lifeform on another planet didn't "get religion" or greed they would be centuries ahead of where we are.

I don't think religion is the drawback you think it is. I think religion was part of the realisation that there is a bigger picture. How everything is connected, nature is all interconnected. With only a small part of that picture gods are a good intermediate explanation. The gods helped us realise that there's more to life than our own humble existence.

Maximus Alexander

FanadMan wrote: »

Not necessarily - if a lifeform on another planet didn't "get religion" or greed they would be centuries ahead of where we are.

Furthermore, not all stars formed at the same time.

What if there was life around Sigma Draconis?

Let's imagine they evolved at the exact same rate as us. Well, their star is 130 million years older than ours. How advanced could you get in 130 million years?

FanadMan

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think religion is the drawback you think it is. I think religion was part of the realisation that there is a bigger picture. How everything is connected, nature is all interconnected. With only a small part of that picture gods are a good intermediate explanation. The gods helped us realise that there's more to life than our own humble existence.

Well, according to the bible, the whole world and everything on it was created in seven days. And Galileo Galilei was branded a heretic for his ideas of heliocentrism. I know that the Vatican did eventually acknowledge him but was centuries late. With views like that, it's no wonder that it took man so long to make portable fire!

The Roman Inquisition was responsible for blanking out years of work, mainly in medicine. Back when "witches" were just old women who knew that a certain combination of herbs or whatever cured a certain illness. Or wiping people from the earth that believed in a different god, despite the fact that they were an intelligent race with their own versions of science and medicine.

Even look at Ireland - we were ruled by the church for so long! And it's only in the last few weeks that it has come to the fore with the sad death of Savita Halappanavar. Had it not been for religion, she would more than likely be still alive.

NIMAN

Irishcrx wrote: »

In the grand scheme of things we know nothing.

This is why I find it so strange that so many are so quick to dismiss the concept of a 'God' or higher powered being, or a state outside of our physical body and mind.

We can only comprehend existence on our own primitive levels - who knows for sure if there is something way more advanced to what we know?

Maximus Alexander

NIMAN wrote: »

We can only comprehend existence on our own primitive levels - who knows for sure if there is something way more advanced to what we know?

The only honest answer is: Nobody.

Anybody who says otherwise, on either side, is full of ****e.

FanadMan

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Furthermore, not all stars formed at the same time.

What if there was life around Sigma Draconis?

Let's imagine they evolved at the exact same rate as us. Well, their star is 130 million years older than ours. How advanced could you get in 130 million years?

They could have been and gone on earth 120 million years ago! There is no evidence to say either way. How old is human life on earth? 2.5 million? They could have looked at our ancestors swinging off trees and just laughed and left :pac:

NIMAN

Was there a more advanced race on Earth in recent times that may have up and left?

Who built the Pyramids?
I watched a documentary on them once and it basically said that we would find it hard to build them now even with our technology, so who built them 4000yrs ago?
And if it was humans, and they were so advanced technically to build them, how come their knowledge wasn't passed down but was lost?

ScumLord

FanadMan wrote: »

The Roman Inquisition was responsible for blanking out years of work, mainly in medicine.

Yeah but religion started long before the Romans. Religion got corrupted by people that wanted that power but even so the thought was enough.

NIMAN wrote: »

Who built the Pyramids?

The Egyptians. There's tonnes of evidence. There is a gap in the story in so much as how did they build the biggest pyramids? but it's a matter of semantics rather than if they could do it. It's possible in a number of ways.

Humans are fantastic creatures, we've achieved so many great things it's an absolute disgrace that people would attribute our achievements to some interstellar race. You've got to realise the people that built these monuments had nothing better to do whit their time. Farming allowed that.

CruelCoin

FanadMan wrote: »

Not necessarily - if a lifeform on another planet didn't "get religion" or greed they would be centuries ahead of where we are.

The absence of greed (capitalism) tends to result in semi-feudal agrarian states.

Not exactly hundreds of years ahead of where i sit now, beer in hand, in front of my plasma tv.

Tomk1

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Hawking reckons we shouldn't make contact with them lest they try to enslave us

Or we shouldn't make contact 'till we can ensalve them. Drop in for a visit, get feed and then take their planet.

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think religion is the drawback you think it is. I think religion was part of the realisation that there is a bigger picture. How everything is connected, nature is all interconnected. With only a small part of that picture gods are a good intermediate explanation. The gods helped us realise that there's more to life than our own humble existence.

I have to agree (as much as I dislike religion). Religion gave tribes a sence of essence, belonging to something greater/bigger than just surviving, People seeking power, Kings with the aid of ogananised religions took than concept in order to control populations. -end of offtopic.

kylith

People who don't 'believe' in aliens frequently accept that there is, most likely, intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. It's the 'visits earth and buggers rednecks' that tends to give pause.

ToddyDoody

As or More intelligent life you say op.. So they score the same or higher than average on their IQ tests?

Maximus Alexander

ToddyDoody wrote: »

As or More intelligent life you say op.. So they score the same or higher than average on their IQ tests?

They would score the same, or higher than average on our IQ tests.

They couldn't, on average, score higher than average on their own IQ tests.

Ted_YNWA

You want people in AH to look for intelligent life-forms ??

Good luck with that OP

squod

NIMAN wrote: »

Was there a more advanced race on Earth in recent times that may have up and left?

Who built the Pyramids?
I watched a documentary on them once and it basically said that we would find it hard to build them now even with our technology, so who built them 4000yrs ago?
And if it was humans, and they were so advanced technically to build them, how come their knowledge wasn't passed down but was lost?

Google "Giza Power Plant" by Chris Dunn.

Lad takes some basic measurement devices with him on one or two visits to Giza. Worth a look if you're interested.

Rhys Essien

Channel 4 now,Alien Investigations.

Duckworth_Luas

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Channel 4 now,Alien Investigations.

Worst aliens ever!

Lawrence1895

Let's just imagine, them aliens exist and they would visit the Earth...I guess, when they see all the misery on this planet, they can't wait to get home