Deskjockey wrote: » Nice to see a Laois player in there but ah here, no Shefflin ....? I'm also sensing you're from South Kilkenny with no Waterford players - Did they tease you something wicked in the De La Salle or wha :-)
jordainius wrote: » Of course you can; 5 out of the 10 teams posted have Ken McGrath, 5 don't. That's about right. At the positions; 8, 9, 7, 11 and 6. It has yet to happen that two posters pick him in the same position; with the exception of midfield; but he barely ever played there. His versatility counts against him when it comes to picking an XV like this; he's not known as a specialist of a particular position.
jaykay74 wrote: » Paul Flynn is in there, no ?
cat in the sack wrote: » here we go so Damien Fitzhenery wexford Brian Corcoran cork Brian Lohan clare John Taylor laois Brian Whelehan offaly Sean McMahon clare JJ Delaney kilkenny Johnny Pilkington offaly Ciran Carey limerick DJ Carey kilkenny Martin Storey wexford Paul Flynn waterford Ben o'connor cork Gary Kirby limerick Eoin Kelly tipp
cat in the sack wrote: » if Carey stood over the pen in the all ireland final Galway would have seen no replay, he would have took the roof out of the net with it.
MfMan wrote: » Yes, but DJ couldn't have inspired (or led) the the KK team to come back in the same way Shefflin did; different types of players.
Mountainlad wrote: » 1. Brendan Cummins (Tipperary) 2. Darragh Ryan (Wexford) 3. Brian Lohan (Clare) 4. Ollie Canning (Galway) 5. Tommy Walsh (Kilkenny) 6. Ken McGrath (Waterford) 7. Brian Whealahan (Offaly) 8. Ciaran Carey (Limerick) 9. Sean Og O Hailpin (Cork) 10. Jamesie O Connor (Clare) 11. Henry Shefflin (Kilkenny) 12. Ollie Moran (Limerick) 13. John Mullane (Waterford) 14. Eoin Kelly (Tipperary) 15. Joe Deane (Cork) Tipp 2 Clare 2 Kilkenny 2 Waterford 2 Limerick 2 Cork 2 Wexford 1 Galway 1 Offaly 1 Had trouble with midfield, that's why I put Sean Og in there even though he didn't really play there. Left out McMahon because I think Ken was a better player, and also because full back is a hard position to pick and Lohan was brilliant and Jamesie O Connor was possibly the most naturally talented player of the 90s, next to Brian Whelahan (some might argue John Troy too). Couldn't leave out Deano either, I 've seen him a lot and he always seemed to produce. Ollie Moran was a top player too, and I couldn't pick Ben O'Connor because I had two Cork already. That was hard.
Utopia Parkway wrote: » Realistically would anyone really have Ollie Moran ahead of say Joe Canning in a team like this? Ollie was a fine player but not in Canning's class.
Clareman wrote: » Wow, that was difficult Damien Fitzhenry (WX) Ollie Canning (GY) Donal O'Sullivan (CK) Stephen McDonagh (LK) Tommy Walsh (KK) Sean McMahon (CE) Brian Whelehan (Off) Tommy Dunne (TP) Colin Lynch (CE) Jimmy Dooley (Off) Henry Shefflin (KK) Martin Storey (WX) Joe Dean (CK) Joe Canning (GY) Gary Kirby (LK)
blue note wrote: » Not a single Waterford player good enough to make the team? We were constantly being criticised for being a team of individuals, surely one of them over the years could get it?
Juniorhurler wrote: » you get fair excited by people not picking Waterford men. Its other peoples opinions,and as the saying goes, opinions are like arseholes everybody has one.
Clareman wrote: » In fairness Waterford have been 1 of the most high profile teams in the past 20 years and have had some great players, it's a bit telling that they are over-looked by some people (myself included) for a team of the past 2 decades whereas other teams (Clare, Limerick, Wexford, Offaly) have all people included by most posters.
jordainius wrote: » Had they actually won an All-Ireland in that time they'd have two on most teams. Also, it can't be said that a Waterford player has been the outstanding player in a particular position for in the last 20 years, perhaps with the exception of John Mullane who has consistently played at a high standard at corner forward. If there was no restriction on picking players per county, I for one probably wouldn't have a Waterford man on my XV and I doubt I would be alone in doing so.
Mountainlad wrote: » More than one Waterford player has been outstanding in a particular position. There. I said it. Wasn't very difficult to be honest. In all seriousness, Mullane has made practically every team and rightly so, because I think the stats show that he is at the very least in the top 3 most proflific forwards from play, and I think I heard that he was the most somwhere. Ken McGrath was outstanding in every position he played in bar full back. He gave 5 years nearly of incredible hurling at centre back, and I think given the format should (and is) included on nearly every team. Joe Canning has been hurling in the forwards (between the half forward line and full forward line for Galway) for 5 years now and hasn't shown anything like that consistency of excellent performances and yet he is included on practically every team. Flynn was a phenomenal talent too, and Tony Browne. I don't know if you were making a general point about the all-irelands thing or whether you think it makes a player more entitled to be on this team, but it's worth bearing in mind that none of Kirby, McDonagh, Ciaran Carey or Foley have won all-irelands either. I for one don't think that all-irelands should come into the equation when you pick your best 15 of the last 20 years. By the way, I'm not bemoaning any exclusions of Waterford players here. I agree that everybody has favourites and seen more of different players, and there for have different perspectives. I just don't agree with your last post.
jordainius wrote: » More than one Waterford player has been the outstanding player in a particular position in the last 20 years? Above all others?? Because that's what I'm saying is not the case in my last post and that's what you're disagreeing with... Don't know why you're bringing Limerick players into it, unless you're getting personal for some strange reason??
Mountainlad wrote: » Yep. I believe Ken McGrath was the best centre back of the last 20 years. And I did see Seanie McMahon, not as much as others I'm sure. He was outstanding of course, but Ken McGrath is to me. Nicky English said he was the best player of the last 25 years in 2009. Of course, maybe he gave him credit for his versatility but I certainly don;t see why that should stand against him. And I also believe that Mullane is one of the two best corner forwards of the last 20 years, even without the two players per County restriction. Because of what you said about the all-irelands, they're the only other players there (aside from the Cannings) pretty much that haven't won all-irelands. I have nothing against Limerick, and I'm sure you've nothing against Waterford. I was just using them as an examples of how some of the best individual players never win all-irelands and that has to be taken into account when devising your teams.
jordainius wrote: » Right, for starters in your previous post you intentionally misrepresented what I said, you left out the word "the" when you responded with your "There I said it" guff. "Waterford have no outstanding players in a particular position" and "Waterford don't have the outstanding player in a particular position" are two very different statements. Maybe in Waterford you believe that Ken McGrath is hands down the best centre back of the last 25 years but most non-Waterford biased people outside Waterford don't, as is evidenced by most the posts in this thread. Great player by all means, but sorry- Seanie McMahon was an outstanding centre back. And you also conveniently forget that I said "Also, it can't be said that a Waterford player has been the outstanding player in a particular position for in the last 20 years, perhaps with the exception of John Mullane who has consistently played at a high standard at corner forward.", so I have already said that a case can be made for him. And just because Nicky English says something doesn't make it gospel.
