lugha wrote: » But of course, if you have no alternative plan, it wouldn't matter if there was 10,000 or 100,000 or 1,000,000. They may as well protest about the weather.
bgrizzley wrote: » You keep repeating about alternative plans. has it ever happened in the history of the state that a government has listened to an alternative plan? i cant remember it happening once. So whats the point putting one forward?
lugha wrote: » I am taking about the broader question of austerity and how it can be avoided. Didn’t you already concede that there wasn’t an alternative to austerity? Didn’t you say you could take everything that might be thrown at you, fine man that you are?
bgrizzley wrote: » doesnt really answer my question, when have the governemnt ever listened to an alternative suggestion? And i still have no problem with austerity...
lugha wrote: » Not sure what you mean exactly? You will. When it really begins.
lugha wrote: » So lets say we fully agree on all of this and decide that austerity is a bad thing (and it certainly has a negative effect) We need to find someone who will fund our deficit with no reform strings attached. Who? (It's a very, very , very simple question)
gerryo777 wrote: » There's been plenty of other plans and ideas put up here in about 25,000 posts on this subject. You dismiss them all because you think you know it all. Maybe your the chief flagellator, or maybe your incapable of thinking of any other way.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Just a thought, does Merkel speak english? Any chance Lugha is Merkel in disguise?:rolleyes:
Ghandee wrote: » I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noticed. Someone on this thread, with seemingly intimate knowledge on all things govt related has taken a very sudden and instant absence from this thread (and site) Does he know something the rest of us don't, and got out while he still could :pac:
lugha wrote: » You seem to be under the illusion that the 13 billion is a loan. And we could perhaps simply decide not to pay it back? Surely this is not what you think? :eek:
gerryo777 wrote: » You tell me, who funds other countries who are running deficits? Other countries do run deficits you know. Indeed are encouraged to run deficits in time of recession.http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gfmag.com%2Ftools%2Fglobal-database%2Feconomic-data%2F10395-public-deficit-by-country.html&ei=7D6xULrmKoyFhQeuj4GICQ&usg=AFQjCNEEnQ7-m2J9OOb1FLVrRJ2S6mWsdQ&sig2=bQ9Pt_WrgMU1_8SOlB6Bfg
gerryo777 wrote: » I think the men in white coats took his laptop away!:D I week and 1 day ago. He was asking too many questions, lugha's next.
lugha wrote: » Well that should make your task easier then. See if you can find a lender who is prepared to put a few quid our way with no strings attached. And maybe you could explain why the government would not borrow from such a lender seen as how the current conditions imposed on their borrowings will make them seriously unpopular?
Le_Dieux wrote: » All that bothers this 'proer' is how do we avoid paying the 13.5Billion.
Ghandee wrote: » Something definitely has happened with him. 'last word syndrome' surely would prevent him not wading back in here at this stage!
lugha wrote: » Wow! You really don't know that this 13 billion figure is, do you?
lugha wrote: » I thought you had gone to bed after your day of drinking! :pac: Still with the aul conspiracy theories I see! (Not sure who you are referring to though. I think all the regulars have been posting here in the last few days?)
gerryo777 wrote: » I thought it was €20 billion?
lugha wrote: » No it is about 13. But it would be 20 if there were no austerity measures. But if you can find an imbecile lender who might give us 13 billion a year without reform perhaps you could pass their details on to me? I have a nice line in free range fresh air I could flog to them? :P (Seriously, would you take a business decision to lend to a neighbour who had seen a massive collapse in income but insisted (even with a compelling argument) that he was going to continue to spend at the same rate as before? If you would, you might be just the man to take some of this air of my hands! :pac:)
Ghandee wrote: » Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week......
gerryo777 wrote: » I don't know how merkel & co are putting up with us then when she sees the money our politicians get, not to mention our overpaid PS including a city librarian on over €120k, city and county managers on €160k - €180k, allowances, un-vouched expenses, ex-taoiseach on €150k pensions etc etc, that list goes on and on and on........ Oh yea, and the fact that the same PS are still getting pay rises 4 years into the worst recession this country has ever seen.
gerryo777 wrote: » Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week....
lugha wrote: » Good, holy God!!! Me too! Though I am on the regular stuff.
lugha wrote: » Exactly.And that is what any potential lender will think too.
Ghandee wrote: » You sir, have excellent taste. (you should definitely try the winter brew though ) Goddammit, can't slag that post! :pac:
Ghandee wrote: » No, no drinking today Lugha, (unless coffee counted) I had the car with me. Supping on an Erdinger winter brew now though, first beer in a week......
Ghandee wrote: » Now now lads. As Basil Fawlty would say.... We're all friends again.
bgrizzley wrote: » Jaysus lads, between wine and fancy beer do ye think there's no feckin recession on? this is what im on...http://hywelsbiglog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/image341.jpg looks like beer tastes like flat guinness...
