Ghandee wrote: » Its four times bigger than your initial claim. You haven't a clue what you're on about half the time on this thread. Make crazy accusations and assumptions without backing anything up, then disappear again for weeks at a time.
Maggie 2 wrote: » Still a poor turnout.
bgrizzley wrote: » how many turned out for the ProTax march?
Maggie 2 wrote: » njoy the dinner. Glad to see you can afford to eat out AND go shopping.
lugha wrote: » We're following the lead of the 600K anti-HHC gang and protesting by sitting at home doing nothing. :pac:
robbie7730 wrote: » Can we take it that you cant afford to eat out then? Or go shopping?
bgrizzley wrote: » should be a roaring success then;)
Maggie 2 wrote: » Not both in the same week! Eating out is a luxury I can't afford, I'm afraid.
bgrizzley wrote: » at least you have the satisfaction of knowing some bondholder is having a nice bit of lobster somewhere with your E100...
Maggie 2 wrote: » My satisfaction comes from living within my means and paying my way.
Ghandee wrote: » There's between 20-30,000 here easily.
Vizzy wrote: » Any sign of Le Dieux ? The "no side" must be extremely dissapointed with such a low turnout. Even if you take the 30,000 figure as official,then that equates to only about 5% of the reputed 600,000 households that haven't paid. Plus the 5% also includes people who turned up today to protest against Austerity,water charges etc.
gerryo777 wrote: » Do you go out and march for more taxes?
Vizzy wrote: » Why would I do something stupid like that ? Were you there yourself ?
Maggie 2 wrote: » Official figures now amended to 10,000
gerryo777 wrote: » Well, you come on here slagging off people who believe that this is one tax too far, so it would be fair to assume that you have no problem with more and more taxes being heaped on people. Why don't you go out and protest that we're not being taxed enough? Wasn't there, no.
Vizzy wrote: » Naw gerry,don't particularly like the fact that I have to pay it but it is the law so I thought it would be pointless turning up today. But hey,you must have been thinking the same.
gerryo777 wrote: » I wouldn't march behind a CAHWT or union banner, plus I had something else on earlier. I make my own protest by not registering and not paying.
Vizzy wrote: » Now thats something we can agree on ! How many(seriously) of the anti-HHC brigade do you think turned up,30%-40% of the total ?
dxhound2005 wrote: » What period does your 200,000 figure cover and how many left to get work? The population has increased by over 1 million in the last 20 years (340,000, 8.2% between censuses of 2006 and 2011 alone) and is continuing to increase. Any analysis of unemployment rates would have to take this into account if you think the numbers leaving is relevant to the percentage. Also a few years back when hundreds of thousands of workers from abroad were getting jobs here the unemployment rate was still 4%. So is the real rate 15% now? The numbers in work went up by something like 800,000 before falling back in the last few years. I always like to look at the positive side , probably 90% of those that want to work have a job and the numbers working in the economy have increased massively because of population increase. Overall I don't think this indicates an economy on it's knees. In fact there was research published during the week showing one third of food bought is being thown away so things can't be that desperate. "Massive mortgage arrears" is a bit vague, the number in any sort of arrears is about 14% apparently and about one third of homes are owned mortgage free. This shouldn't impact greatly in general on homeowners abilitly to pay €100 HHC. I know you are using myriad (10,000) as a figure of speech but it is an indication of your propensity for exaggeration. People are leaving and coming in as well.http://www.cso.ie/en/newsandevents/pressreleases/2012pressreleases/pressreleasecensus2011profile6migrationanddiversity/ Non-Irish nationals living in Ireland There were a total of 544,357 non-Irish nationals living in Ireland in April 2011, representing 199 different nations. The growth in the number of non-Irish nationals has continued since 2006, albeit at a slower pace than earlier years. Total numbers increased by 124,624 over the five years to April 2011 which represents a rise of 30 per cent.
Hijpo wrote: » How much does it cost to keep a non national in comparison to an irish citizen who works and pays taxes?
lugha wrote: » Goodness, how many metaphors (?) have you butchered in that one short sentence?
lugha wrote: » And the “contracts” argument is clearly daft. You didn’t specifically give your consent to, or sign a contract on, our laws against murder, theft, tax evasion, etc. Does that mean you are not bound by those laws either, if you think them unfair?
lugha wrote: » If you take the view that individuals are justified in breaking a law that they think unfair (and we are not dealing with fundamental human rights matters, just ho-hum tax / money matters) then the only logical view you can take in relation to Sean Quinn is that you may disagree with him but that his actions are personally justified.
lugha wrote: » But of course, none of you lads do. All of which reveal that their position is not “you can disregard a law you consider unfair”, rather it is “I can disregard a law I consider unfair”. Everybody else should abide by the rules.
lugha wrote: » Well they are going to the wrong march then! It is quite clear that this is being flogged as a march against austerity.
lugha wrote: » Ah this again. Presumably you are entirely unconcerned that a much greater tax demand is being levied against your income?
lugha wrote: » Out of curiosity, why, if you think the government had a choice between upsetting a relatively small number of high earners and upsetting a much larger number of low to medium earners they would opt for the latter, given that their currency is votes?
donalg1 wrote: » I wouldve thought there would have been a bigger turnout than 10000 given the fact it was against austerity as a whole a lot of people just don't seem bothered. Maybe they share the same opinion as me and a couple of others here that protesting won't get anywhere and will just fall on deaf ears. Although if 10000 marched every week it could make them take some notice but even at that those lads in govt are so far removed they are probably just laughing.
