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Do you get paid to work Overtime?

Smcgie

Talking with a few friends last night and it may be naive of me, but I thought everyone got paid for overtime! Two of my friends get nothing for overtime only a pat on the back and they said they are expected to do it to keep their jobs. They stay on working for between 8-10 hrs a week and get zilch!

Where I work we get double pay straight away for any hour we work over 8 hours.
It's also not a public sector job

So people of AH, do you get paid for overtime & If so at what rate? If you don't why the hell are you doIng more than your contacted hours free? This obviously excludes the self employed.

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Seaneh

Crooked Jack wrote: »

You should have sued the cunts. Or at least stole a load of stuff.

Should have to be honest. Too late now.

Lollipops23

Nope.
I'm in at least 30-45mins early most days, but rarely stay late. It's a 9-5.30 job (officially), and salary based so it wouldn't be the done thing to get overtime.

Crooked Jack

Seaneh wrote: »

Should have to be honest. Too late now.

It's not too late to steal stuff

Ray Palmer

Most salary jobs don't pay overtime. Jobs that pay instant overtime tend to be low paid.
Worked in lots of places and it amazes me how staff end up with good an bad conditions. State and semi state can have great deals on flexi and overtime. Flexi really is a form of paid overtime IMHO.

One company I worked did an on call duty. You had a phone and if the clients had a problem you dealt with it. Fair enough but they paid €20 to you for this and if it rang you were meant to get €50. Except the company charged the client €100k for the out of work hours support. If they rang the number and it wasn't a fault another €1k for ringing when they shouldn't.
Now when you had the phone you couldn't spend your day as you liked as you might have to go to the office. The customers would ring all the time over minor issues or just questions. You were rarely given the extra amount for taking a call including a 4 hour support call on a Sunday.
I just refused to take the phone as the rate was terrible and was not legal as you were meant to get 25% of your normal pay to be on call. For some unknown reason most people agreed to the deal. One guy took 12 calls over a weekend and they still only gave him €40 yet they took in 12k. They didn't even give him the extra he was due. He still works there too and he got about 20% increase in salary in the 10 years he has been there. This is IT years experience jumps your salary a lot.

Shenshen

Only coming towards quarter end.
Any time during the quarter, if there's work to be done, you stay late. You might be able to take some of the time off another day.

My husband's in a similar situation, he's expected to work late and work weekends when required, but he does not get any overtime paid at all, ever. He gets some time added to his vacation entitlement, which he's having a hard time taking anyway due to workload.

Uriel.

Smcgie wrote: »

I seen this being abused before and the 'promotion' never been given.. Look at it this way they could see you as a weak negotiator because you haven't asked them about overtime.

Its a funny world when it comes to who is selected for promotion - its often the most outspoken people from my experience.

It sure is, I will know in approx 3 months regarding promotions hopefully, so if they are abusing that, then my hrs will be reduced dramatically.

When they are down 50 hours of man work per month they'll know what him them then... absolutely no shortage of workload in my job... we are always playing catch up seems.

annascott

No. I am on a salary not a wage. We do not get paid overtime but we do get Time off in Lieu (TOIL) which gives us the hours back.

mitosis

krudler wrote: »

course I do, anyone who works extra hours for no pay is a fool unless you run your own business.

I run my own business, so O/T is unpaid. In fact, regular time has gone unpaid a couple of times in recent years

[Deleted User]

I can flexi time so if I work over time on one day I just take it off another day as I personally see fit. so I tend to work longer monday to thursday and then work hardly at all on Friday.

Odysseus

Don't do much O/T but get TOIL @ time and a half for the same bit I do.

heroics

I work in IT. In the last Job it was salary and you got paid same no matter how many hours you worked. Did that for 7 years eventually got fed up with the empty promises of promotion etc and left

In current job I get OT for every hour extra worked (1.5 during week and first 4 hour Sat then double time) and also get on call allowance for the weeks I am on call (extra 66% of weekly salary).

I guess it depends on the company. My other half works 10-12 hour days never gets OT but it is just expected if she wants to keep her job and do well

Zebra3

smash wrote: »

Link to what? If you're not paid by the hour and are on a salary you generally wont be paid overtime.

A link to the claim you made about most companies not paying overtime.

Ray Palmer

During the Celtic tiger days I was contracting. I would get double time on Saturdays but only do a half day. The system was down so they decided to send us home. Made sure they knew that I would still be putting in for the full half day at double time. They agreed.
It was the same as somebody handing me €4 (after tax) every minute for an hour as I ate breakfast and read a magazine. That won't happen again:(

Bigcheeze

Ray Palmer wrote: »

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One company I worked did an on call duty. You had a phone and if the clients had a problem you dealt with it. Fair enough but they paid €20 to you for this and if it rang you were meant to get €50. Except the company charged the client €100k for the out of work hours support. If they rang the number and it wasn't a fault another €1k for ringing when they shouldn't.

These arguments make no sense. They're making a return on a product they had probably invested millions in, not charging 100k to chat to you.

It's like saying those fools in China making iphones for 50 cents while the company is selling them for €600!

BizzyC

Well my "official" work hours are 7-4.30
Normal work hours are 7-6

No overtime, and will only ever get time off in lieue if I come in on a weekend/holiday.

Edit: I do get the added bonus of ****loads of stress and mediocre pay though!

0ph0rce0

On a salary too.

Get asked all the time to do a few extra hours, Says in my contract I must be flexible.

So I'm flexible from 9 to 5 and they get told to **** off after that. Not working for no pay no matter what the contract says.

smash

Zebra3 wrote: »

A link to the claim you made about most companies not paying overtime.

I think it's clear by the level of responses here.

x43r0

On a salary so no paid overtime here (Investment Bank). Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever worked a 9-5 day. Earliest I've ever left work was probably 6 and usually in about half 8.

Sometimes it depends on the job. I could work the bare 9-5 but I probably wouldn't get all of my work done which leads to either (a)a bollocking the following day or (b) me presenting sub-standard work and my performance review ultimately taking a hit.

I don't mind doing it though - Those banker bonuses that people always seem to be talking about take the pain out all the overtime :pac:

kippy

Cliste wrote: »

Flexitime...

I love it except for the lack of overtime pay :-(

The taxman can't tax your time off.

Ray Palmer

Bigcheeze wrote: »

These arguments make no sense. They're making a return on a product they had probably invested millions in, not charging 100k to chat to you.

It's like saying those fools in China making iphones for 50 cents while the company is selling them for €600!

Not really as they charged for the product and regular support. They then sold them an extra service without agreement with employees. They were charging 100k to chat with me and 1k when they did. Little or no cost to the company.
Product created with free overtime due to unrealistic estimates. They were also paying below legal requirements at the time. €20 for 14 hours on call and nothing for extra hours worked.
I understand your argument just not true in this case.

ghogie91

Seaneh wrote: »

I worked in a restaurant in athlone a few years ago, contract was for 40 hours a week, I worked about 70 hours a week on average for the month I was there, I inquired as to why I was only paid for working 40 hours and was met with "sure, thats what your contract is for" c*nts.

I didn't stick around for very long after that.

Where was this? I would well believe that!

hyperborean

Nope, salary

ghogie91

I dont anyway

My hours are 9 to 5 and everyone elses are 9.30 to 5.30

but like right now today, I will be working 9 to half 5 for zilch

Larbre34

Smcgie wrote: »

I seen this being abused before and the 'promotion' never been given.. Look at it this way they could see you as a weak negotiator because you haven't asked them about overtime.

Its a funny world when it comes to who is selected for promotion - its often the most outspoken people from my experience.

Are you sure you werent just watching the movie 'Horrible Bosses' at the time??

In general, overtime will be reckoned for those on an hourly or waged rate, so long as their employers arent the exploitative type.

Those on salaries, particularly when you get to supervisory management, are more expected to do whatever extra hours it takes to complete the task at hand as part of their salaried contract.

For example a Supervisor / Section Head / Inspector in the Civil Service / Bank / Gardai, will get overtime and allowances as applicable, however once they become a Admin Officer / Manager / Superintendent all that disappears even though the core salary is a small step up so they lose out overall

One major trend of the recession though is that management responsibilities and conditions are being pushed further down the chain due to lack of staffing, so you get your management functions carried out by a junior for say €35,000 p.a. without the need to pay any overtime. Race to the bottom.

woodoo

I never get overtime i have flexi-time so if i work over any day i save it all up and get a day off at a later date.

woodoo

Ray Palmer wrote: »

One guy took 12 calls over a weekend and they still only gave him €40 yet they took in 12k.

Is there a union in that company?

Pottler

In theory, I'm on 24/7/365 call for technical support but if any b0llix calls me on that, woe betide them! I usually work 9-5 pretty much religiously and I make sure the people who work for me go home at 5 or slightly before - I know they have families etc and have no desire to take the p1ss. But, there's the very odd day when they have to work later(maybe once a month) and that's not paid overtime, that's expected as goodwill for all the days they go at 4.30 and I don't mention it.
If it snows, we work 24hrs and I pay for every hour worked, same goes for a breakdown at a factory, if it's 24 hrs worked, it's 24hrs paid. I worked for enough cnuts that expected me to do 7-7 every day despite only paying me for 9-5 so I have no desire to inflict that on anyone.

mikemac1

I've forgotton what a luncbreak looks like

And I'm a bigger fool for just working through it :mad:

But I don't do it for the bosses, I do it as I guilt trip myself that I'm letting down my teammates if I don't, they all work through lunch too

5 free hours a week

barbiegirl

My attitude has always been if I need to stay I will but I won't stay just to stay. Plus I expect my employers to meet me half way. If I need time for the doctor etc then I expect there to be no problem. If you have to work overtime regularly either you are not working effectively or your boss is taking advantage. If your boss is taking advantage he/she does not respect you an you will not be promoted. Now all of that is on the premise that you are performing well if you're not and staying late helps with that in some way then it has to be done. It still shouldn't be regular though, if it is you ma need training, a time management course etc. I also prefer to go home, walk the dogs, shaved dinner and then go back to working remotely from my sofa somewhat refreshed. I get much more done.

In IT field sales you never get paid for overtime or time in lieu.

toexpress

Smcgie wrote: »

Talking with a few friends last night and it may be naive of me, but I thought everyone got paid for overtime! Two of my friends get nothing for overtime only a pat on the back and they said they are expected to do it to keep their jobs. They stay on working for between 8-10 hrs a week and get zilch!

Where I work we get double pay straight away for any hour we work over 8 hours.
It's also not a public sector job

So people of AH, do you get paid for overtime & If so at what rate? If you don't why the hell are you doIng more than your contacted hours free? This obviously excludes the self employed.

It's an employers market. I have my own business and I can tell you if someone mentioned to me over time they would be finding themselves on the short end of me very quickly. Keeping in mind that in this economy it's bloody hard to keep a business going. There are weeks when I don't get paid and only for the fact I "consult" one afternoon a week to the public sector I would be up the creek myself. It's that few hours a week that I do which makes sure my house is run monthly. Overtime, to hell with it!!!