gerryo777 wrote: » Thank's H, it's a bit quiet around here lately, hasn't it? I wonder is the penny starting to drop with our pro-tax buddies?
darkhorse wrote: » They have a group, K-9, they are called the corrupt.:D
Hijpo wrote: » Nah they are a lost cause, the only thing they bring to the table is yarns from the paper that a politician has already spun trying to defend themselfs. Seen as a politician hasnt been able to defend themselfs much these days the pro side has nothing to copy. The only ones left now are doesnotcompute who never really makes any points, just instantly thanks anything lugha or dv posts and then you have donal....
Ghandee wrote: » You say that up there ^^ Then continue to blather on about him here.
Ghandee wrote: » I'm not getting paid several hundred thousand euro to do an inept politicians job for him.
donalg1 wrote: » Care to elaborate on that one hijpo or you just trolling again. Seems to me the anti side bring nothing to the debate other than nonsense and when you ask them for alternatives to austerity they say they don't get paid enough to make those decisions. Tbh they all just seem to want to stick their heads in the sand and not actually add anything to the debate at all. I mean the anti side go from one crazy claim to another and constantly move the goalposts to suit their arguments and stop themselves looking silly.
lugha wrote: » Yes, I am highlighting out the inconsistency in arguing that you are justified in breaking a law you think is unfair but condemn Sean Quinn for dong the very same. What is your point? So that would be no. You don’t have any idea as to how austerity might be avoided. :eek: Well kudos for honesty at least. Truth is, the half-wits behind next Saturday’s piss-up campaign against austerity don’t either IMO. :pac:
K-9 wrote: » Be honest, if it wasn't bankers pensions, you'd just point to some other Government waste and be suitably outraged.
lugha wrote: » Yes, I am highlighting out the inconsistency in arguing that you are justified in breaking a law you think is unfair but condemn Sean Quinn for dong the very same. What is your point?
lugha wrote: » So that would be no. You don’t have any idea as to how austerity might be avoided. :eek: Well kudos for honesty at least. Truth is, the half-wits behind next Saturday’s piss-up campaign against austerity don’t either IMO. :pac:
Hijpo wrote: » I dont think it needs to be elaborated on, i was saying whos left trying to defend us paying more taxes while a government gravey train is chugging full steam ahead. My reasons seemed to qualify for you when you asked, you liked the post and didnt oppose any of them.
THE Department of Health is to receive an emergency bailout as the Government scrambles to tackle overspending by minister Dr James Reilly. Public Expenditure Minister Brendan Howlin has confirmed he will meet with Dr Reilly this evening. It comes as the HSE heads towards a deficit of €400m by the end of the year - there are no details yet as to how big the bailout will be. But Mr Howlin said it will be “a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction” of the annual €13.5bn budget for health. The supplementary budget will be separate to any new measures announced in December. “I can confirm it is likely there will be a supplementary budget for health,” Mr Howlin told the Dail this afternoon. “I’m actually having a bilateral meeting with the Minister for Health after this session.”
K-9 wrote: » It pays for bankers pensions as much as it pays for a childs operation in Crumlin, roadworks, garda overtime, quangos, your child going to school, it goes into the general taxation pool in a roundabout way.
donalg1 wrote: » I think you do need to elaborate on the part about me thanks. I thanked it because you at least made an effort to answer a question and made some decent points without ant of the usual nonsense. Like the remarks that need elaboration.
Ghandee wrote: » I don't support Sean Quinn for robbing the government and his own companies I don't support the govt trying to rob its citizens. Where is the inconsistency
Ghandee wrote: » I gave plenty of alternative revenue raising methods before
Ghandee wrote: » Noonan claims he can't touch the pensions...... Why FG continue to sit on their hands and not curtail the wastage at the banks, (like they promised pre-election is beyond me.
lugha wrote: » Protesting against austerity is not against the law. It is about as silly as protesting against the bad weather IMO.
lugha wrote: » You suggested measures as alternatives to the HHC / property tax. You did not propose alternatives that would collectively avoid the need for austerity (i.e. higher taxes, spending cuts or both). And you didn’t and won’t because it can’t be done. So the question remains, what is the point in campaigning against austerity if you can’t propose an alternative?
lugha wrote: » But it doesn’t matter if you support Sean Quinn or not. Sean Quinn thinks he is being treated unfairly and according to the paradigm been advanced by the no side here, it is just to break a law that you, (not anybody else) think unfair. You are trying to have it both ways. SQ must abide by the law, even if he feels it is unfair but that rule doesn’t apply to you. You suggested measures as alternatives to the HHC / property tax. You did not propose alternatives that would collectively avoid the need for austerity (i.e. higher taxes, spending cuts or both). And you didn’t and won’t because it can’t be done. So the question remains, what is the point in campaigning against austerity if you can’t propose an alternative?
darkhorse wrote: » Ironically enough, G, I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy on a public service pension, which has seen a fixed monthly reduction from Jan. 2011. It would raise the question, are people who are on pensions from state owned banks subject to a reduction.
darkhorse wrote: » We are all entitled to our opinion. My opinion, which is the same opinion I've always had is that austerity does not work.
Reloc8 wrote: » Why does anyone think not paying the HHC will actually change anything ? That's your protest ? Yikes. The establishment must be quaking in their boots. (for the record, I paid it. I could afford it, and its the law, so there you go).
lugha wrote: » But it doesn’t matter if you support Sean Quinn or not. Sean Quinn thinks he is being treated unfairly and according to the paradigm been advanced by the no side here, it is just to break a law that you, (not anybody else) think unfair. You are trying to have it both ways. SQ must abide by the law, even if he feels it is unfair but that rule doesn’t apply to you.
lugha wrote: » You suggested measures as alternatives to the HHC / property tax.
lugha wrote: » You did not propose alternatives that would collectively avoid the need for austerity (i.e. higher taxes, spending cuts or both). And you didn’t and won’t because it can’t be done. So the question remains, what is the point in campaigning against austerity if you can’t propose an alternative?
lugha wrote: » Ok. So no more austerity. No more taxes and no more spending cuts. Which means we need about €13,000,000,000 a year every year just to keep going. Simple question. Who is going to lend us that money?
darkhorse wrote: » Why do ya say that. It seems to me that if we dont answer a post, there is someone complaining, then if we do answer a post, we are spinning.
darkhorse wrote: » How can you possibly equate into logic the fact that there can be any cuts to the health service and education(cause its no point in bringing up hospitals and schools, without mentioning cuts), while at the same time some bank pers. and some bank pensioners(from banks that we apparently own) are paid what most ordinary people would perceive to be akin to lottery payouts. No spin, just truth.
darkhorse wrote: Well, K-9, if it was'nt there to point to(so easily, may I add, cause there is so much waste), there would be nothing to be outraged about=honesty, not too much to ask, would you agree.
K-9 wrote: » Saying this tax is going to pay bankers pay and pensions is great spin. It isn't a criticism at all.
lugha wrote: » Not paying the HHC charge is. But of course you knew full well that this is what Vizzy was referring to.
