tayto lover wrote: » Is there something big about to happen? All Noonan / Hogan's troops seem to have been called back from the front. Watch they don't come up behind us lads. Time to post look-outs.
Ghandee wrote: » You'd nearly swear they're just hoping this thread will disappear into the depths of AH. I think a pm campaign has taken place urging each other not to post here any longer among the pro side, they've no argument worth defending at this stage.
Ghandee wrote: » Looks like they have something else to worry about now too.http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/john-downing-so-ffs-back-from-the-dead-but-do-we-need-it-3297096.html Now, you may ask yourself how did they go from being as good as annihilated in the last GE after bringing us to boom, and followed by a very swift bust, to rise back to being second most poular party, and with the most poular leader in Ireland, in less than two years? No shiit Sherlock, its because they came out and opposed the property tax :rolleyes:. As much as it sickens me to think of any property tax actually seeing the light of day, I'm more sickened by the fact that the Irish people have such short memories, and seem willing to be duped by this crowd of jokers, even if it is (I believe) largely due to their opposition to a property tax being introduced. Still though, if FG don't sit up and take note pretty soon, we all know were they can expect to find themselves resigned to, perhaps a lot sooner than anyone predicted.
DrumSteve wrote: » I think most people who are in favour of FF are doing so due to the lack of alternatives.
Hijpo wrote: » Which is how the current lot got in, we have to vote for someone. Direct Democracy Ireland might be the breath of fresh air the country needs.
DrumSteve wrote: » It might be or it might be more of the same... Sure didnt the last lot say they were gonna clean things up too?
Hijpo wrote: » Yeah but the last lot never mentioned article 47 and 48 of the constitution.
DrumSteve wrote: » Im not up to date on my constitutional law so im not familiar with them.Either way my point still stands, a large proportion of people are only supporting FF as they are pissed with FG. IMO.
Ghandee wrote: » Swings and roundabouts. How do you think the current coalition was voted in?
Ghandee wrote: » I'll be there Anyone wishing to meet up either before/afterward's can pm for details. (might even get a cheeky pint, hell might even drink €100 worth:pac:)
donalg1 wrote: » Either that or they would just be making the same argument over and over again, and getting the same ones back. Nothing has changed as far as the HHC is concerned so no point talking about it, hence the completely off topic posts being put up here recently.
Hijpo wrote: » Wisht hes back, no golf today? Or did someone put there name down beside you and you got pissy about it.
There were plenty of arguments and alternatives put to the pro side but all they wanted to do was add more taxes to struggling homeowners, even ones who spent thousands on stamp duty already all while politicians give themselfs raises, extra holidays and billions get shipped off to bondholders to name but a few reasons not to give them more bloody money. I can sympathise with you though, if i handed over my billing address and 100 quid and then carried on with an argument so much that i couldnt change my opinion, not to mention looking for people to be brought to court and made an example of, i would probably feel embarrassed, trapped and frustrated to so its ok. All thats left for the pros to argue is that people should be brought to court, that has fallen on its face so they have nothig o argue now and thats why there are no pro taxers on this thread anymore.
donalg1 wrote: » what is all this sh1te about? Certainly dont think it has anything to do with the HHC now do you? Think you need to grow up. I am still pretty sure its against the charter to bring stuff from other forums across but sure who cares if you want to go down that route maybe I will start too. How has it fallen on its face people are being brought to court, the only thing to have fallen on its face is the cahwt campaign to get it scrapped, I see there is a protest this weekend, so I assume everyone here on the anti side is going or will there be more lame excuses again this time. At least those that actually protest are doing something about it and not just mashing their keyboards on boards.ie. Why would I change my opinion anyway, its not as if the anti side have come up with any good argument for not paying other than I didnt want to pay, I dont think you have ever said why you didnt pay or have you? And can you please tell me what has changed that would warrant talking about the HHC or are you just interested in trolling today and going over the same ground again?
Hijpo wrote: » Bit of banter lad, maybe you need to grow up to be able to take it. Bring across all you want. Its fallen on its face because the man introducing it has said you will never be caught unless your on a property database and that they need a complete accurate database for a property tax. If that isnt the biggest incentive not to register ever then i dont know what is. It not only fell on its face its actualy fallen off a cliff and landed on its face and drove its head through its arse. . A boycot is a boycot, if you say the CAHWT campaign hasnt achieved there goal well neither has the government but whos the laughing stock of the country? Whos failure makes the most impact? Some people wanted to register our address but not pay lol idiots sure the address is what they need not the 100 quid. And the serial thanker there doesnotcompute as usual, how are ye doin. If your giving out about people not protesting and sitting on there computer why not start up a group that collects the data for the government we all know they need help or sell out a few of the people you might know who hasnt paid. be active about what you beleive in donal, if not then you cant sit there yourself and dictate to others. Im not trolling just putting you on he right track. The reason why the thread has stopped is because the yes side have no argument and nothing being released in the media has givien them any leverage on the topic.
bgrizzley wrote: » Sorry i havent been on lads, now that im on the yes side i cant think of anything useful to say. Still, i'd like to remind you, its only the price of a half pint every week, so do your patriotic duty and pay the HCC (or we'll get you!!)
Le_Dieux wrote: » You haven't gone and joined 'them' BG, have You?:eek:
bgrizzley wrote: » i had to mate, we couldnt have a decent argument without the yes side but they seem to have gone to ground. So ive taken the banner and i'm flying it high. Pay your tax tomorrow Le Dieux, or we will fine you for your auld carry on. Ireland needs this property tax, every other country has one, we should too!!!!!
Am Chile wrote: » From facebook the details.http://www.facebook.com/notes/campaign-against-household-and-water-taxes/press-statement-householders-call-for-a-massive-show-of-opposition-to-the-proper/434865499896367
Slick50 wrote: » Will be up. But I fear this is lacking in publicity.
donalg1 wrote: » The reason it has stopped is because there is nothing more to talk about no new developments so talking about the hhc would be having the same debates that have been had a hundred times before. And to me you must be trolling by talking about other forums and trying to debate the same thing over and over and over again. The tone of your posts is clearly an obvious effort at trolling. I am giving out about people claiming they are protesting while doing nothing because to do so is a joke. And I know plenty of people that haven't paid but would never report them for it they are grown up enough to make their own decisions and deal with consequences of those decisions if there are any. Why is it you didn't pay the hhc just out of interest. Now I believe its because you didn't want to and reckon you can get away with not paying but just interested to see what reason you come up with.
Ghandee wrote: » I'm expecting a big turn out for this.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » I'd say there will be. Dublin Council of Trade Unions are the main organisers. The unions can be good at getting their people out.
K-9 wrote: » Sometimes threads just die and posters get sick going over the same old stuff, in my experience of Boards that's far more likely than some conspiracy theory.
donalg1 wrote: » And can you please tell me what has changed that would warrant talking about the HHC?
darkhorse wrote: » It turns out, K-9, that it was more than a theory when some of us said that we did'nt really believe that the govt. were collecting all the extra charges/taxes to ensure we got better services. What has changed, donalg1, is that Mr Noonan is practically telling us now where the extra money is going, but sure we already had a fair idea anyway.Banker pensions are 'indirectly' funded by taxes FINANCE Minister Michael Noonan has said he is unable to "categorically" deny that taxpayers' money was used to prop up pensions of "disgraced senior bankers" in State-owned banks AIB and IBRC (the former Anglo Irish Bank).
