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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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Maggie Benson

I have a 7kw non boiler stove in my kitchen which is approx same size as your sitting room. You can regulate the heat by means of the damper in mine so you can have it very hot or cooler as required. You get familiar with using the damper effectively in time. My stove is a Charnwood Island 1. A bit expensive to buy but wouldn't part with it. Very economical once installed.

ecph

arran7 wrote: »

We recently installed a Blacksmith Forge Boiler Stove. All is going well except sometimes , black water- which smells of soot- drips out of the ashpan area. It is baffling everyone that I have asked about it. Any suggestions?

Hi, just a quick question, what happened in the end with this does anyone know, seem to have the same issue with a blacksmith stove, have contacted Blacksmith just waiting on them to get back to me

The Stove Man

biffo19 wrote: »

Hi guys,

We recently moved into a house which had a stove installed in the kitchen area which also has a sunroom attached. When we have the stove lighting it just about warms some of the rads but only to the point of taking the cold off them and they are not giving out any heat as such. We also find that we have to constantly top up the stove and can see it being quite expensive to run. I think the make of the stove is a waterford stanley erin and has a thermostat that goes from 0 to 4 at the side. The stat in the hotpress is set at 60deg so I think thats right. Overhead the stove where the pipe goes doesnt look finished to me and I thnk we could be loosing heat that way. I've attached some pics to see what I mean. What setting should I have the stat at the side of the stove to heat the rads? Should I get someone to look at the pump( maybe its too small for the amount of rads it has to heat which is about 12 ). So many questions!!

Any help would be appreciated.

The panel above the stove looks like it is just plasterboard which is not suitable for a closure plate and will crumble and char over time. This should be replaced with a steel plate, ideally with an access door to one side to allow cleaning.
No expert on boiler stoves but the stove may be too far from the cylinder, the pipe diameter may be too small from the stove, the link into the existing may be done poorly, basically 20 things could be wrong, get a good plumber out to have a look is the best way to be sure

The Stove Man

ecph wrote: »

Hi, just a quick question, what happened in the end with this does anyone know, seem to have the same issue with a blacksmith stove, have contacted Blacksmith just waiting on them to get back to me

This water probably comes from the fuel burnt and will drip out if the stove is not burnt hot enough to evaporate the water contained in the fuel sufficiently to carry it all the way up the chimney. Worst culprit is wet logs which can contain about half a cup of water each.

Try a bag of kiln dried logs which will burn hot dry and clean and see if it eliminates the problem

It is common to have this in boiler stoves as they do not get as hot due to the wrap around boilers in place of fire bricks.

The only other source of water is from rain water which flows down the chimney and finds its way back into the stove, every stove should have an anti rain\bird cowl fitted to prevent this, they cost around €35

The Stove Man

Seweryn wrote: »

Thank you Stve Man.

I made a deal this evening for a new stove, but it looks like it is going to be a tricky job to fit it. I am going to get this stove:

The house was built in mid 1970's, so I believe the chimney is built the way you described it.
Personally, I would like to make the ope larger and fit the stove into it. How big of a job would it be and who could get this done properly?

A pretty big job, the stove supplier should recommend someone in your area, try a local builder for a quote also, approx cost between €900 and €1500 depending on finish and if you are going to line the chimney

2 new concrete lintels will be needed to support the weight of your chimney and a brick or tiled finish around the new opening

That is a convector stove which will mean it will work better with a good big area above it to allow the hot air to rise and get out into the room

Maybe build a new opening with a brick finish similar to below which will be closer to the €1500 mark

The Stove Man

Officer Giggles wrote: »

Hi all,

I have an open fire in the sitting room which I want to replace with a non boiler stove. The room is approx. 6m x 4m. As far as I can make out that means I require a stove with a room output of 4kw. The Waterford Stanley Oisin seems to fit the bill. Can anyone recommend any other good quality alternatives for me to consider.

Cheers

The precision 1 (horseflame)stove is a much better and cheaper option than an oisin, there is a demo on youtube of how it operates, The baby gabriel is similar to the oisin and cheaper also
The oisin does not have a secondary air control and therefore less controllable than the others.

The Stove Man

banie01 wrote: »

Looking at a TR4 Insert Stove, Any other suggestions?
Hiya folks!
I'm currently trying to source an insert stove solely for the purpose of heating my sitting room.
After some google searching and some advice from pro's I decided on a Tripp/Heat Design TR4 stove along with the arched sectional insert to suit my current fireplace.

Now here's where the fun starts.
Tripp/Heat Design don't do direct sales, so after contacting their listed suppliers in my area I am getting big price variance for supply only!
Lowest price quoted is €575 complete against a top price of €750!

I've decided on this particular stove because its output gives me a nice excess margin for the room I'll be putting it in and its look combined with the adapter plate will round off my fireplace nicely....
But given the price variance I'm running into, I'm hoping someone here can suggest similar performing stoves that are available with adapter plates before I decide to drop the cash?
Thanks in advance

The firewarm insert and the dimplex inset are similar\the same as the tripp and usually cheaper also. The blacksmith inset is not much more expensive and a bigger better stove.

The stated output of 4-5 kw is optimistic (more like 3 kw if compared to free standing stove of 4-5kw)

ecph

thanks, will try that

Deedsie

Hi, I was considering buying a chimney cowl to fit to our stoves chimney/flue. It will be replacing the Chinaman Chimney Cap that's there currently! Are these a standard size? Or could I ending up getting one that doesn't fit? Are they hard to install?

barryby

"i installed a solid fuel back boiler on to a central heating system with two seperate expantion tanks and when i filled it i turned off the cold feed on the central heating and lighted the fire all rades heating fine so when i turned on the cold feed to the central hot water was coming out the over flow on the soild fuel expantion tank and when i turn it off it stops how can i fix this

barryby

Zeppi

http://www.thestoveman.ie/gallery/ballyduff-waterford.jpg

Can someone suggest from where I can buy a timber mantle like in the picture, also what wood would be suitable to go on a free standing stove?

regards,
Zeppi

barryby

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markbld65

Zeppi wrote: »

http://www.thestoveman.ie/gallery/ballyduff-waterford.jpg

Can someone suggest from where I can buy a timber mantle like in the picture, also what wood would be suitable to go on a free standing stove?

regards,
Zeppi

i got a mantle like the one in the photo from a girl in midlands , she makes them and are half the price of the ones in the shops
pm me and i'll pass on the contact number

hawkelady

I have a riva stovax stove,, it's brilliant btw , I am wondering If slack can be used in it as I'm thinking of putting slack on over night or if I have to nip out for a short time..if anyone knows if I can use slack in the stove I love to hear from you. Thanks

Pappacharlie

I had a similar problem when I installed a Stanley stove. When the stove was lit for about the first 20 minutes about half a cup full of foul smelling black water would drip onto the fender. The cause was cold air circulating in the chimney. A cover was left off a soot-box and when the stove lit it was drawing in air which caused condensation in the flu of the stove and causing this foul smelling water to appear. The minute the soot box was sealed the problem stopped. Could you have a similar problem? I thought that the boiler was leaking in the beginning. Hope this helps.

bjk210

Stove man,

What is your opinion of the Harmony 1 stove? I am consiering it for a living room (14 feet by 17 feet) with the plan to heat 6/8 radiators as well. My hearth would have to be extended (the extension could be reduced if I took out the fireplace).

Thanks,

Qualitymark

Anyone know anything about Celtic Stoves? (They're called Celtic, but are named for various exotic places in Europe, Africa and the US. Wondering where they're made, reputation, etc.) http://www.celticstoves.ie/products.aspx

carrutc2

Hi

I'm looking at installing an 8kw stove with a boiler to heat 2-3 rads, but wont be installing the rads for a few months.. am i likely to spend most of my days running hot water because there is nowhere for it to go?? I just dont want to install too small a stove now and another later!!!

Possibly a ridiculous question but any advice really really appreciated!

C

Qualitymark

Another question on this point. Is it possible to instal a stove upstairs to heat rads all around a house, or would it have to be downstairs?

Jane98

Hi,

I saw a Heritage Doolin 4.5kw insert (non-boiler) stove for €469 today. Wondering if this is a god brand and what additional costs will be applicable if I get this?

Also do insert stoves really save on the fuel costs? Looking at this for a small room which is 14 feet by 10 feet and at the moment we are lighting the fire every night.

albert kidd

Jane98 wrote: »

Hi,

I saw a Heritage Doolin 4.5kw insert (non-boiler) stove for €469 today. Wondering if this is a god brand and what additional costs will be applicable if I get this?

Also do insert stoves really save on the fuel costs? Looking at this for a small room which is 14 feet by 10 feet and at the moment we are lighting the fire every night.

i bought one last week and there is fires out plenty of heat for the room size you have mentioned because mine is roughly the same size..the fire box in the stove is plenty big also..you will need to get a reducer flue and a bend also depending on your flue location in your chimney and some fire cement which will set you back around the 100 mark...i installed it myself.

i bought one bag of coal and four bales of brigettes and burned scrap building timber with it all week..the wife had the stove lighting from 2pm everyday..i dont know how much coal ect people themselves go through as ive never had an open fire..but so far i think its a great buy as the room is very hot each night and i only turn on the gas for an hour each evening to heat the upstairs.

Barry walsh

Hi All, looking for a bit of advice. I am looking to buy a multifuel/woodburning stove for my garage. The dimensions are as follows
25feet length 18 feet wide and 12 feet down to six feet high (pitched roof)
The Garage is spray foam insulated on the roof and sides and has a cement floor it has two plastic skylights and a insulated garage door at one end and another door on one side.

My first questions is what size stove do i need to heat this space??

My second question is what type of stove to get I have seen some pot belly ones at reasonable prices and also some garage only steel ones.

My third question is how best to install the stove and where is best to place it
I was thinking near the back wall away from the doors/skylights in the middle where the roof is the highest there is an option to go out the back wall with the flue and up over the roof although I have been told i can go straight up from the stove with a single wall flue through the roof with an adaptor plate with no bends?? Is this possible.

All advice is appreciated I have been told it should be easy etc. Would I be able to do this installation myself??

Robbie.G

Barry walsh wrote: »

Hi All, looking for a bit of advice. I am looking to buy a multifuel/woodburning stove for my garage. The dimensions are as follows
25feet length 18 feet wide and 12 feet down to six feet high (pitched roof)
The Garage is spray foam insulated on the roof and sides and has a cement floor it has two plastic skylights and a insulated garage door at one end and another door on one side.

My first questions is what size stove do i need to heat this space??

My second question is what type of stove to get I have seen some pot belly ones at reasonable prices and also some garage only steel ones.

My third question is how best to install the stove and where is best to place it
I was thinking near the back wall away from the doors/skylights in the middle where the roof is the highest there is an option to go out the back wall with the flue and up over the roof although I have been told i can go straight up from the stove with a single wall flue through the roof with an adaptor plate with no bends?? Is this possible.

All advice is appreciated I have been told it should be easy etc. Would I be able to do this installation myself??

According to your measurements you would need 9kw output taking insulation into account I would go 7kw
I would go straight up from the stove and through the roof.Come off the stove in single wall for the first metre and then twin wall from there and out through the roof 1metre no bends best draw off stove the flue should be min 4.5 mtrs high in total

Barry walsh

Thanks Robbie appreciate the advice.
These are the stoves I was looking at:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/2817394

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/4075009

Which would be more suitable in your opinion?

Robbie.G

Barry walsh wrote: »

Thanks Robbie appreciate the advice.
These are the stoves I was looking at:

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/2817394

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/heating/4075009

Which would be more suitable in your opinion?

They both look fine for your needs wouldn't be of a very good quality
The flue will cost 3 - 4 times the price of them

iopener

Hi all i need some advice im going to install a stove hopimg to put in one with a back boiler but i have been told that the distance from the fire place to the hot water cyclinder is too far 10 metres and so cant install a back boiler.i've just moved into a dorma .the cyclinder is at ground level but im hoping to rise it up around 4/5 ft to improve the gravity feed to the stove.any advice if this would help sholve my installition problems.

Jonnykitedude

Hi All

Had a look over this tread and couldn't find anything similar to my problem.

We have a small mulberry stove with back boiler and 90degree bend in our living room, the house is airtight with heat recovery system in place, we had the chimney swept yesterday and after we lit a fire smoke pours out of the door when opened. This never happened before, the draw was unreal before we had the chimney swept.

Today I took off the steal plate on top of the stove to have a look and all seems fine but the smoke is still coming out so much we cant light it!

Any suggestions?

Robbie.G

Jonnykitedude wrote: »

Hi All

Had a look over this tread and couldn't find anything similar to my problem.

We have a small mulberry stove with back boiler and 90degree bend in our living room, the house is airtight with heat recovery system in place, we had the chimney swept yesterday and after we lit a fire smoke pours out of the door when opened. This never happened before, the draw was unreal before we had the chimney swept.

Today I took off the steal plate on top of the stove to have a look and all seems fine but the smoke is still coming out so much we cant light it!

Any suggestions?

90 degree bends are not allowed in solid fuel
What ventilation for combustion does the stove have it sounds like lack of air and a blockage in the flue or cowl.Some cowls like H cowls can't be swept the only way to clean them is to remove them.
Get the sweep back to redo the clean just to be on the safe side