Chancer3001 wrote: » the day I read Bryan Robsons autobiography where he said he did 1000 push ups every day (and then I saw the picture section of him with his top off) was the day I decided to never do another push up ever again.
PTC Frankston wrote: » I dont think it was severe If I'm asked whats better, running or lifting weights, I have the asker buy a copy of Runners World and Flex magazine, look at the pics and decide what you want to look like.
im invisible wrote: » something in the middle, no, something more on the running side, would be fine for most google image search first (male) runners world image big pic flex magazine first 3 images, (first seems to be the odd one out out of all the images)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/Flex_magazine_Nov07.jpg/220px-Flex_magazine_Nov07.jpgthis one, andhttp://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/flex_sep06cover.jpg
Jordan5372 wrote: » Hi, about 2 months ago i started doing pushups daily, at first i struggled to do ten, it exhausted me. I can now do 27, which is my max, which i did today.
Instead of lifting weights, he has a daily regimen of 3,500 sit-ups, 1,000 push-ups and eight mile runs. He has been going through this same routine since high school.
PTC Frankston wrote: » I dont think it was severe If I'm asked whats better, running or lifting weights, I have the asker buy a copy of Runners World and Flex magazine, look at the pics and decide what you want to look like. If 1000 push ups leaves you looking like crap, stop at 27 and go lift something heavy
PTC Frankston wrote: » Not if your goal is a big deadlift Push ups are over rated, sure if you have zero access to barbells because you live in an igloo in Alaska, do push ups But a simple barbell has built more muscle than any other calisthenic, machine, pulley or any other apparatus you care to name. If your 12 and mum wont get you a BB set or a gym membership, go to the park and do chins and dips, but any exercise where you can do 1000 reps isnt going to do much for you in regards to strength, which was the original posters question Remember I work in a field where clients come to get stronger, so my response will always lean that way I dont wish to offend anyone that thinks doing push ups will make them stronger, its just my opinion
Chancer3001 wrote: » the benefits of doing push ups (in a strength gaining capacity) is so little that they are not worth doing. In the time it takes to do 100 push ups, you can achieve better strength result by doing almost any other exercise that involves weights! OP never actually mentioned a goal though.
PTC Frankston wrote: » but any exercise where you can do 1000 reps isnt going to do much for you in regards to strength, which was the original posters question
Chancer3001 wrote: » the benefits of doing push ups (in a strength gaining capacity) is so little that they are not worth doing.
In reading Hershel Walker's Basic Training, he stated that he did his sets of strict, full range pushups in sets of 25. He also didn't fight to rush his sets of pushups. He'd watch TV and do sets between commercials.
He'd do them in sets of 25 until he'd done 300. Every day. He continued this on into his college years. He also put up a chin bar behind his house. He'd pullup. He'd chin, He'd do close grips. He'd pullup some more. Nothing fancy - just doing it, rest, and do it again. For most of his pushups his form was fairly strict. However, when he got into doing more than 300, he'd do 150 in one continuous set, but only did them from halfway.
I'd generally work them like this. I started with my hands shoulder-width apart and I'd go down only halfway before pushing back up again. I'd do these as fast as I could, till I could feel my triceps burning and I was breathing really hard. Then I'd rest for a bit. These half pushups really helped my endurance and I knew they made my triceps bigger, too, since the the triceps are kept under constant tension . I'd generally do about 150 of these, and then do 10-20 reps with some harder type , say with my feet elevated, or hands real close together. Then I'd go back to the half pushups for a few more quick ones, then I'd do some slower, full pushups where I'd touch my nose to the floor. These helped to build my power. After resting a bit, then I'd do my handstand pushups. I generally do these in sets of 10, resting between each set. Page 31 - Basic Training, Revised Edition
PTC Frankston wrote: » Why on earth is this still being discussed? Does anyone here really not think a progressive resistance weight program is the best way to get stronger?
PTC Frankston wrote: » Better than a progressive resistance program?
PTC Frankston wrote: » I do read every response, and I respect everyones opinion But in my gym I get paid for the BEST advice, not general advice, they dont need to come to my gym for that I suppose I'm similar on forums And I'm not a PL guy. We had 2 lifters go to Weightlifting Worlds Masters in Ukraine for 2 bronze I got an Aussie kid a full scholorship in the US as a defensive linesman at college We have a kid that had a try out with Derby County and a few other clubs in the UK Lots of fighters, footballers (I was strength coach for a VFL club for a year) basketballers PTC is a strength gym, not a powerlifting gym
PTC Frankston wrote: » So I suppose when I give my opinion, I tend to give the best advice I can Maybe I need to tone that down on here
PTC Frankston wrote: » I can curl a 2kg DB for days, it wont do anything for my strength
Jordan5372 wrote: » Will i have gotten much stronger? i don't see much change? will i eventually see change?
Thirty-two untrained men [mean (SD) age 22.5 (5.8) years, height 178.3 (7.2) cm, body mass 77.8 (11.9) kg] participated in an 8-week progressive resistance-training program to investigate the "strength-endurance continuum". Subjects were divided into four groups: a low repetition group (Low Rep, n = 9) performing 3-5 repetitions maximum (RM) for four sets of each exercise with 3 min rest between sets and exercises, an intermediate repetition group (Int Rep, n = 11) performing 9-11 RM for three sets with 2 min rest, a high repetition group (High Rep, n = 7) performing 20-28 RM for two sets with 1 min rest, and a non-exercising control group (Con, n = 5). Three exercises (leg press, squat, and knee extension) were performed 2 days/week for the first 4 weeks and 3 days/week for the final 4 weeks. Maximal strength [one repetition maximum, 1RM), local muscular endurance (maximal number of repetitions performed with 60% of 1RM), and various cardiorespiratory parameters (e.g., maximum oxygen consumption, pulmonary ventilation, maximal aerobic power, time to exhaustion) were assessed at the beginning and end of the study. In addition, pre- and post-training muscle biopsy samples were analyzed for fiber-type composition, cross-sectional area, myosin heavy chain (MHC) content, and capillarization. Maximal strength improved significantly more for the Low Rep group compared to the other training groups, and the maximal number of repetitions at 60% 1RM improved the most for the High Rep group. In addition, maximal aerobic power and time to exhaustion significantly increased at the end of the study for only the High Rep group. All three major fiber types (types I, IIA, and IIB) hypertrophied for the Low Rep and Int Rep groups, whereas no significant increases were demonstrated for either the High Rep or Con groups. However, the percentage of type IIB fibers decreased, with a concomitant increase in IIAB fibers for all three resistance-trained groups. These fiber-type conversions were supported by a significant decrease in MHCIIb accompanied by a significant increase in MHCIIa. No significant changes in fiber-type composition were found in the control samples. Although all three training regimens resulted in similar fiber-type transformations (IIB to IIA), the low to intermediate repetition resistance-training programs induced a greater hypertrophic effect compared to the high repetition regimen. The High Rep group, however, appeared better adapted for submaximal, prolonged contractions, with significant increases after training in aerobic power and time to exhaustion. Thus, low and intermediate RM training appears to induce similar muscular adaptations, at least after short-term training in previously untrained subjects. Overall, however, these data demonstrate that both physical performance and the associated physiological adaptations are linked to the intensity and number of repetitions performed, and thus lend support to the "strength-endurance continuum".
PTC Frankston wrote: » Does anyone here really not think a progressive resistance weight program is the best way to get stronger?
PTC Frankston wrote: Better than a progressive resistance program?
