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slowburner

There must be plenty of sand/gravel around there, there are loads of sandpits shown on the first edition 6" map, with no sign of an enclosure.

slowburner

Just thought I'd share this.
Here's a screenshot of something which looks remarkably like a faint drawing of an enclosure.

But I think it's just a blob.
No sign of it in the coloured edition.
Any thoughts?

Simon.d

http://binged.it/UDZWpz - Think I've found something quite significant here!

Coles

Not to distract from the above contribution, but it's interesting to see how the yellow field of rape-seed highlights the features underground. A couple of interesting things, but the small perfectly round circle looks interesting.

East of Trim, Co. Meath.

Also to add that the mapviewer on BiodiversityIreland.ie is great for measuring area and distance and also for checking soil and subsoil types, and geology.

slowburner

Coles wrote: »

Not to distract from the above contribution, but it's interesting to see how the yellow field of rape-seed highlights the features underground. A couple of interesting things, but the small perfectly round circle looks interesting.

East of Trim, Co. Meath.

Also to add that the mapviewer on BiodiversityIreland.ie is great for measuring area and distance and also for checking soil and subsoil types, and geology.

Could well be a barrow.

Coles

Simon.d wrote: »

http://binged.it/UDZWpz - Think I've found something quite significant here!

What do you think is there?

slowburner

Simon.d wrote: »

http://binged.it/UDZWpz - Think I've found something quite significant here!

You mean the orthogonal feature?

Simon.d

Coles wrote: »

What do you think is there?

No idea! Norman complex maybe?

slowburner wrote: »

You mean the orthogonal feature?

That coupled with the well defined rectangular feature to the south, and the potential mound to the West..

slowburner

Simon.d wrote: »

That coupled with the well defined rectangular feature to the south, and the potential mound to the West..

There's no sign of it on the OSI 1st or 2n editions - I think it makes sense to conclude that the orthogonal feature (actually two orthogonals) is post 1860.

More than likely later C.19th landscaping - that's my humble, but I formally request a second opinion.

For a moment, I thought you'd found conclusive evidence of a Roman villa, or some such.

Interesting area all the same.

Simon.d

slowburner wrote: »

There's no sign of it on the OSI 1st or 2n editions - I think it makes sense to conclude that the orthogonal feature (actually two orthogonals) is post 1860.

More than likely later C.19th landscaping - that's my humble, but I formally request a second opinion.

For a moment, I thought you'd found conclusive evidence of a Roman villa, or some such.

Interesting area all the same.

I'm thinking it predates c1850 for the simple reason that the field boundary that seems to cut the feature has remained unchanged over the two OSIs.

Found this historical reference to a potential castle in the townland

I've found a 13th century reference to a Norman by the name of Sir Thomas de Wancy, who acted as a witness to legal proceedings in the Kilkenny area.. Seems to fit with the name Wansestown....

slowburner

Could well predate the OSI mapping.
I'm not seeing any field walls intersecting the feature on the osi maps - am I looking at the right thing at all?

bawn79

slowburner wrote: »

Just thought I'd share this.
Here's a screenshot of something which looks remarkably like a faint drawing of an enclosure.

But I think it's just a blob.
No sign of it in the coloured edition.
Any thoughts?

If it was something by the looks of it, it would be huge. I assume you have checked it with bing?

demakinz

This is Carbury castle just outside of Edenderry. What do you think the round features are?

Are the lines seen around the site old tracks or building?

The ruins of the castle is still on the site, can be seen on the right of the first picture casting a shadow.

Mountainsandh

Simon.d I'd love to know how you operate : do you pick an area at random ? somewhere you know/near you ? and then investigate... or do you research a specific area and then decide to check out the aerial view ?

I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...

I spotted this very broken up field near enough me, it comes up with a tortuous wall in the 6" map, but nothing recorded in Archeology.ie.
But I'm trying to match that tortuous wall to what I see, and it seems like there maybe a bit more to it ?

Here are the links
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,624028,606278,7,7
http://binged.it/W9JM2v

Simon.d

slowburner wrote: »

Could well predate the OSI mapping.
I'm not seeing any field walls intersecting the feature on the osi maps - am I looking at the right thing at all?

I'm sure you are looking at the same thing.. Possibly just overly optimistic on my end... I've passed on the info to an NMS Archaeologist, who said he'd go and have a look.. So will keep ye posted..

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...

Pretty much the same here, pick a region and scan around...No real method beyond that...

cfuserkildare

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Unlisted finds
Hi All,

A while back I noticed a feature and contacted the natural History Museum with details regarding my find, However the results were a little dissapointing, they suspected it was a duck pond but no-one gave it a proper examination.

These are the co-ordinates using Google Earth:-

52º59'30.01" N

6º03'32.78" W

Apparently it was in a field that may have been marshy.

Have a look.

Can anybody have a look into this? Much more interesting than previously thought.

Simon.d

demakinz wrote: »

This is Carbury castle just outside of Edenderry. What do you think the round features are?

Are the lines seen around the site old tracks or building?

The ruins of the castle is still on the site, can be seen on the right of the first picture casting a shadow.

There's alot going on methinks..

The heavier recti/linear markings look to be field boundarys, while the less defined parallell markings look to be the remnants of plough furrows. The large circular enclosure could be ecclesiastical, the smaller ones look to be ring forts... Very busy & well preserved site!

Simon.d

http://binged.it/XKa1le - Motte of Monacoghlan in Co. Laois. There's a reference to the following survey from the 18th century in it's NMS listing:

High Res

Found this nearby.. Not listed but looks to be a Moated site: http://binged.it/XKdK2r

http://binged.it/XKe8O8 - Listed Anglo Norman Castle site a short hop to the North..

slowburner

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Unlisted finds
Hi All,

A while back I noticed a feature and contacted the natural History Museum with details regarding my find, However the results were a little dissapointing, they suspected it was a duck pond but no-one gave it a proper examination.

These are the co-ordinates using Google Earth:-

52º59'30.01" N

6º03'32.78" W

Apparently it was in a field that may have been marshy.

The NMS website is always worth checking.
Potential finds should be reported to the National Museum, not the Natural History Museum.
Not quite sure what you mean by 'a proper examination'.
The enclosure has indeed been visited, and the conclusion drawn that it is a,

'relatively modern feature, not earlier than the 18th century; possibly a landscape feature associated with duck shooting.'

(SMR no. W1025-089, 30th October 2012)

There is no record of the feature on either edition of the OSI historic maps, so it's quite probable that the enclosure is a recent construction.
The drainage ditch connecting the pond with the tidal waters of the Murrough was dug much earlier. It was probably used to provide water for the pond, and is more than likely the reason the pond was situated in that particular spot.

slowburner

Simon.d wrote: »

Found this nearby.. Not listed but looks to be a Moated site: http://binged.it/XKdK2r

Have a look here http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,619499,671422,7,8
However, it doesn't quite align with the feature in the Bing image.

Simon.d

slowburner wrote: »

Have a look here http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,619499,671422,7,8
However, it doesn't quite align with the feature in the Bing image.

The North boundary of that enclosure seems to share the south boundary of the feature I spotted... You can make out the two features together on the bing image I think, with the east and part of the south boundary of the OSI enclosure still above ground..

slowburner

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Simon.d I'd love to know how you operate : do you pick an area at random ? somewhere you know/near you ? and then investigate... or do you research a specific area and then decide to check out the aerial view ?

I like to hover aimlessly over places near me ...

I spotted this very broken up field near enough me, it comes up with a tortuous wall in the 6" map, but nothing recorded in Archeology.ie.
But I'm trying to match that tortuous wall to what I see, and it seems like there maybe a bit more to it ?

Here are the links
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,624028,606278,7,7
http://binged.it/W9JM2v

I think the walls were tortuous because of the old river terraces. Other walls were following water courses/tributaries
Not really seeing much of interest around those particular fields.

...on the other hand, it might be time to stick on your wellies and have a look a bit further south.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,623353,605624,6,8

and see SMR no. WA014-005 Scartnadriny mountain

Looking forward to seeing some pics from the ground

bawn79

Simon.d wrote: »

There's alot going on methinks..

The heavier recti/linear markings look to be field boundarys, while the less defined parallell markings look to be the remnants of plough furrows. The large circular enclosure could be ecclesiastical, the smaller ones look to be ring forts... Very busy & well preserved site!

I think the big one is a barrow, I visited the place years ago. See below link for ground level pics

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/8314/carbury_hill.html

Simon.d

http://binged.it/UJqyoY - Anyone else seeing a hint of a bastion in the north west corner of this unlisted feature?

cfuserkildare

Simon.d wrote: »

There's alot going on methinks..

The heavier recti/linear markings look to be field boundarys, while the less defined parallell markings look to be the remnants of plough furrows. The large circular enclosure could be ecclesiastical, the smaller ones look to be ring forts... Very busy & well preserved site!

Just as a point of interest, was up at Carbury last weekend and it turns out that now there is no public access.
Is this another site of interest that we are going to lose?

Mountainsandh

sorry to be a pain, my eye is not as well trained as you guys, but here's another one from me, probably nothing. Although I'm not very good at it, I do enjoy looking

Slowburner I usually have 2 young accolites and a dog tagging along, so places which are not easy to reach (fences to climb, etc...) are usually well... beyond my reach. There are lovely ringforts at Scart(nadriny) mountain, but I checked out access and it will have to be kept for a childless day. Pity some of the old pedestrian/cattle ways are often now private, and closed by owners.

Anyway, here :

The obvious fort is listed, interestingly the reinforcement/embankment too (rectangular to the left of it, very noticeable as you drive by), the other features (?) are not afair.
I pass by often, and this field is extensively maintained, and extremely clean, one of these spotless farming examples.

http://binged.it/U76bQs

slowburner

There are certainly two depressions (the ones you circled) whether or not they are natural, is difficult to say.
However, if you look at the image below, you can see that there is a kink in the field wall which seems to follow the easternmost depression. It's possible that it was paying respect to an earlier enclosure, or it might just have been built around a depression; it's difficult to say.
The embankment just east of the enclosure looks like remains of an earlier field wall and might be giving a misleading impression that it forms part of an enclosure around the larger depression.

If and when the field is ploughed, it could be well worth a bit of field walking.

This image is an overlay of the 2nd edition OSI map over a Bing image.
Probably not 100% to scale.

Simon.d

Had a windy flight over the Ballymoon Earthworks (http://binged.it/OfscZ8) yesterday. My full photoset is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/highinthesky/sets/72157632033593091/

Any opinions on what this might be:

D42x6.jpg?8791

Located top right:

Coles

An interesting snippet about Ballymoon Castle and some great photos.

It is local legend that this castle was never finished and therefore never used. Although there is no reliable historical source for this the physical remains seem to indicate that this is the case. None of the inner building of the castle exist above the foundation level and considering the good condition of the outer wall it would appear that these were never built. One thing to always remember about these sites is that they do not exist within a vacuum but relate to and are largely shaped by the larger world. At the time the castle was built (shortly before 1300) Europe was entering a massive economic breakdown and recession following the collapse of many Italian banks and although a connection is impossible to make here I wonder if the effects of this recession were felt in Ireland and stopped the work on this castle. If this is the case then we have a parallel to today. Across Ireland we see abandoned building sites and maybe Ballymoon castle is a message from the past that tells us that what we are experiencing is nothing new. Ballymoon castle is the perpetual building site.

Simon.d

Think there's a lot of new information in this model of the ballymoon earthworks, can make out a few new features.. Any ideas as to what's going on with the site?
http://s15.postimage.org/o864xrp7t/ANIMATION.gif

Zoomed in Animations:
http://s7.postimage.org/csgzty5k9/ZOOMED.gif
http://s8.postimage.org/4u9pq0gxf/ZOOMED211.gif
http://s10.postimage.org/n41mbhbnb/Zoomed3.gif