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Pregnant woman dies in UCHG after being refused a termination

flynnlives

Tomorrow's Irish Times is reporting that a woman died, having been refused a termination while having a miscarriage.
17 weeks pregnant, she was denied the termination because a faint foetal heartbeat could be detected.

I understand the lady succumbed to septicemia.

It was on Vincent Browne during the newspapers section.
Apparently the women was told "this is a Catholic country, we don't have abortion"

It was also reported on rte radios "late debate"
Also i think the Indo have the same story.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7nlWHfCcAAPysa.jpg

there are no words to describe this...

EDIT TO ADD ARTICLE LINK

Speaking from Belgaum in the Karnataka region of southwest India, Mr Halappanavar said an internal examination was performed when she first presented.

“The doctor told us the cervix was fully dilated, amniotic fluid was leaking and unfortunately the baby wouldn’t survive.” The doctor, he says, said it should be over in a few hours. There followed three days, he says, of the foetal heartbeat being checked several times a day.

“Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby. When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning Savita asked if they could not save the baby could they induce to end the pregnancy. The consultant said, ‘As long as there is a foetal heartbeat we can’t do anything’.

“Again on Tuesday morning, the ward rounds and the same discussion. The consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita [a Hindu] said: ‘I am neither Irish nor Catholic’ but they said there was nothing they could do.

“That evening she developed shakes and shivering and she was vomiting. She went to use the toilet and she collapsed. There were big alarms and a doctor took bloods and started her on antibiotics.

“The next morning I said she was so sick and asked again that they just end it, but they said they couldn’t.”

Critically ill

At lunchtime the foetal heart had stopped and Ms Halappanavar was brought to theatre to have the womb contents removed. “When she came out she was talking okay but she was very sick. That’s the last time I spoke to her.”

At 11 pm he got a call from the hospital. “They said they were shifting her to intensive care. Her heart and pulse were low, her temperature was high. She was sedated and critical but stable. She stayed stable on Friday but by 7pm on Saturday they said her heart, kidneys and liver weren’t functioning. She was critically ill. That night, we lost her.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1114/1224326575203.html

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mackg

af_thefragile wrote: »

Needs more info and a proper enquiry into what exactly happened.
Usually when something as such happens, the patient would have gotten into trouble anyway because of many other factors surrounding the case, its never just one thing that causes someone to die.

And I believe this would also make great story for all the pro-choicers to beat the pro-lifers with...

What?

rainbow kirby

Galway Pro-Choice statement

For Release: Woman Dies in UCHG after Being Denied a Life-Saving Abortion

On Sunday the 28th of October, Savita Praveen died at UCHG after being denied a termination which would most likely have saved her life. She was 31 years old, married for four years and hoping to start a family.

If legislation is not introduced immediately, more women will die. Under the X Case ruling, women in Ireland are legally entitled to an abortion when it is necessary to save their life. However, legislation has never been passed to reflect this. It is the failure of successive governments to do so that led to Savita’s death.

Savita was first admitted to the hospital on October 21st complaining of severe back pain. Her doctor initially told her that she would be fine, but she refused to go home. It became clear that her waters had broken, and she was having a miscarriage (spontaneous abortion). She was told that the foetus had no chance of survival, and it would all be over within a few hours.

However, her condition did not take its expected course, and the foetus remained inside her body. Although it was evident that it could not survive, a foetal heartbeat was detected. For this reason her repeated requests to remove the foetus were denied. By Tuesday it was clear that her condition was deteriorating. She had developed a fever, and collapsed when attempting to walk. The cervix had now been fully open for nearly 72 hours, creating a danger of infection comparable to an untreated open head wound. She developed septicaemia.

Despite this, the foetus was not removed until Wednesday afternoon, after the foetal heartbeat had stopped. Immediately after the procedure she was taken to the high dependency unit. Her condition never improved. She died at 1.09am on Sunday the 28th of October.

Had the foetus been removed when it became clear that it could not survive, her cervix would have been closed and her chance of infection dramatically reduced. Leaving a woman's cervix open constitutes a clear risk to her life. What is unclear is how doctors are expected to act in this situation.

Rachel Donnelly, Galway Pro-Choice spokesperson stated:
“This was an obstetric emergency which should have been dealt with in a routine manner. Yet Irish doctors are restrained from making obvious medical decisions by a fear of potentially severe consequences. As the European Court of Human Rights ruled, as long as the 1861 Act remains in place, alongside a complete political unwillingness to touch the issue, pregnant women will continue to be unsafe in this country.”

Sarah McCarthy, Galway Pro-Choice member said:
“Galway Pro-Choice believes that Ireland must legislate for freely available abortion for all women. Deaths like Savita's are the most severe consequence of the criminalisation of abortion, yet it has countless adverse effects. We must reflect long and hard on the implications of Savita’s tragic and untimely passing, and we must act to ensure that such a tragedy never happens again.”

Stheno

LD 50 wrote: »

Hasn't the Irish public already voted 5 times on the matter. You want to blame anyone, for once it shouldn't be the gov't, but the catholic church, who's influence still affects the country.
It is a shame that this happened, when from initial reports suggest that she may have been saved with an abortion.

The Irish public have clearly returned a mandate to government to legislate in just such a situation like this, successive governments have failed to do so.

LD 50

Stheno wrote: »

Can't read the article, but that is just dreadful if true.

Time for the government to clearly legislate on this issue.

Hasn't the Irish public already voted 5 times on the matter. You want to blame anyone, for once it shouldn't be the gov't, but the catholic church, who's influence still affects the country.
It is a shame that this happened, when from initial reports suggest that she may have been saved with an abortion.

af_thefragile

Needs more info and a proper enquiry into what exactly happened.
Usually when something as such happens, the patient would have gotten into trouble anyway because of many other factors surrounding the case, its never just one thing that causes someone to die.

And I believe this would also make great story for all the pro-choicers to beat the pro-lifers with...

K-9

Musicmental85 wrote: »

Wind up/photoshop? Can't see any other confirmation of this

Times and Indo both have it as their main story going on the Vincent Browne story. If she was told she couldn't have an abortion because Ireland is Catholic, should be instant dismissal. It would seem the baby was in distress and died shortly after.

Heart goes out to the poor man and the families involved.

Cian92

Most certainly real was on Vincent Browne earlier when discussing tomorrows papers.

Pride Fighter

To call the pro-lifers such a term is the biggest oxymoron I can think of. They are anti-life as evidenced by this, through their vile campaign have denied this woman life saving treatment.

The correct term for them is religious fundamentalist nutters who want Ireland to be a Theocracy that treats women with utter disdain. It is a disgrace they are cow towed to by so many in politics and the media.

jonsnow

flynnlives wrote: »

Apparently the women was told "this is a Catholic country, we don't have abortion"

Would someone still really say that in this day and age.Technically we are not a catholic country we are a republic.Its time we made that a reality instead of this halfway house nod and a wink nowhereland that we are currently in we were are some hybrid catholpublic

flynnlives

FRONTPAGE OF TOMORROWS INDO

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7nfrEZCQAA_e1y.jpg:large

mackg

Musicmental85 wrote: »

Wind up/photoshop? Can't see any other confirmation of this

Thread on politics.ie too but that doesn't prove much.

Anyone confirm and supply some details?

flutterflye

Cian92

Terrible, she asked for a medical induced abortion a few times but as the foetus still had a heartbeat she was refused and told that "this is a catholic country".

cometogether

God almighty, that is incredible if true. What a horrible thing to happen, R.I.P to the poor woman

upstairs for coffee

Waiting for the "It's God's way/it's what God would have wanted" arguement :rolleyes:

My condolences to her and her family

whiteandlight

Wind up/photoshop? Can't see any other confirmation of this

Stheno

flynnlives wrote: »

Tomorrow's Irish Times is reporting that a woman died, having been refused a termination while having a miscarriage.
17 weeks pregnant, she was denied the termination because a faint foetal heartbeat could be detected.

I understand the lady succumbed to septicemia.

It was on Vincent Browne during the newspapers section.
Apparently the women was told "this is a Catholic country, we don't have abortion"

It was also reported on rte radios "late debate"
Also i think the Indo have the same story.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7nlWHfCcAAPysa.jpg

there are no words to describe this...

Can't read the article, but that is just dreadful if true.

Time for the government to clearly legislate on this issue.

Treha

muppetkiller wrote: »

Mmmm I think I'm going to go with whatever the Doctor at the time decided was best for the Patient and unborn child rather than reading the facts from the Indo.

Yeah, it's the Irish Times. I know the text is small but, heavens, it's not that small.

muppetkiller

Mmmm I think I'm going to go with whatever the Doctor at the time decided was best for the Patient and unborn child rather than reading the facts from the Media.

Impossible to get the full facts until a clear investigation is made.
Heart goes out to the Husband and family though. I think I actually worked with him a few years ago. Very nice man.

Edited :Sorry for spoiling Christmas for you Treha.

cournioni

I wonder will they class this as murder like they do with their pro life posters.

Celly Smunt

flynnlives wrote: »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7nlWHfCcAAPysa.jpg

hmmmmm

mackg

There might be words if it was possible to read that link.

Apparently being discussed on Vincent Brown but might be over by now.

Alessandra

flynnlives wrote: »

Tomorrow's Irish Times is reporting that a woman died, having been refused a termination while having a miscarriage.
17 weeks pregnant, she was denied the termination because a faint foetal heartbeat could be detected.

I understand the lady succumbed to septicemia.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7nlWHfCcAAPysa.jpg

there are no words to describe this...

I really can't read the article clearly. There would need to be more information before any of us could voice an opinion?

Pride Fighter

Well done to the scum in Youth Defence, they have blood on their hands.