foggy_lad wrote: » The reservation only exists when it is displayed to other passengers on the train. If I sit in a seat that has no light on and no notice of reservation then once my journey starts and there is still no reservation on the seat that seat is mine for the duration of my journey! Nobody will move me without involving the Gardai and the train will be delayed while all that happens. Irish rail could also be sued very easily for taking a legitimately obtained seat from any passenger in favour of someone with a reservation when it is proven that the reservation was never highlighted to the passenger with no reservation. The reserved passenger would also need to prove they had arrived at the station 20minutes before the train departure time.
corktina wrote: » it doesn't say that. It says you may not occupy a seat that notice has been given blah blah blah,. You would need Legal Opinion on whether that means you can occupy and continue to occupy a seat where notice wasn't given. It is not clear that notice can be given after you occupy such seat ANyway, lets stop all the making excuses for IE....their system a) doesn't work very well and b) is not enforced
homeless student wrote: » they are just taking up seats for free, madness,just because a person is old doesnt mean they should be entitled to free travel. I wont be old soon by the way, im in my 20's
Irish Rail get paid so much by the social welfare crowd to cover the OAP's .
Hilly Bill wrote: » The system works well enough its just some chose to ignore it out of spite.
corktina wrote: » it's IEs at fault if the seat is not flagged, not the hapless passenger who has to stand from Mallow to Dublin, whichever of them that turns out to be!
foggy_lad wrote: » in short unless the passenger without a reservation is told at the time of boarding and taking up the seat either by a card on the seat or electronic notice over the seat that it is a reserved seat they are entitled to stay in that seat for the duration of their journey.
corktina wrote: » the whole discussion is about a case where it wasn't flagged is it not? The system was either faulty or IE didn't put the right input in. Obviously noone with any decency would occupy a seat flagged as reserved from mallow, but if it isn't flagged for some reason, then how are they to know that?
foggy_lad wrote: » I am entitled to yours or anyone else's booked seat if notice is not given by the board that such seats are reserved at the time of boarding. This is why boarding only starts in terminus stations a certain time before departure.
corktina wrote: » how can you ignore a sign that isn't there?
Judgement Day wrote: » I can't believe that all that's wrong with IE's rail services is the lack of enforcing seat reservations - or am I missing something?
corktina wrote: » Not in that instance but that is not what I'm saying. I am talking about a seat where IE neglect to flag it as reserved. They cannot reserve retrospectively an occupied seat IMHO
Hilly Bill wrote: » Thats not what i asked Foggy. If its free seating then ye, you can sit where you want but if you paid for a certain seat in that theatre would you expect someone to move from the seat that you booked and paid for ? Or would you move for someone who has a ticket for that seat? There is nothing wrong with the IR booking system, its just that some people chose to stick 2 fingers up at it and cause the problems. From what i can see is that you are just being picky just because you have an issue with IR. Here is another question for you Foggy, If you hate Irish Rail that much and prefer the bus due to the price and its flexability then why do you travel on the train as much? and why the train instead of the bus at that time?
Hilly Bill wrote: » If a person has reserved a seat from the second or third stop the would they need to be at the station 20 minutes before the train departs to make sure they get their reserved seat?Yes as per the conditions of carriage If a person asks you to move and shows you the ticket with the seat number on it then its highlighted to you then.once I take a seat which has no visible reservation or booking attached to it that is my seat for the journey I am taking. any reservation must be highlighted before departure. You are entitled to sit in that seat until the person that has booked that seat from a said station shows up and claims their seat.Yes I agree, but only if the seat light is on to indicate it is reserved and a message with the name and from xxx station, like "H.bill From Ballybrophy", indicating that the seat is reserved from Ballybrophy Refusing to move is just plain ignorant at that point and lacks common decency especially if its done just to have a go at Irish Rail.
Hilly Bill wrote: » There isnt and issue with anyone sitting in a seat thats reserved but refusing to move when asked by the person that has proof that they booked it. The only thing thats faulty is some peoples attitude towards it.
Hilly Bill wrote: » You are entitled to sit in it until the time the person who has booked it wants to sit in it and then you should move.
SECTION E RESERVATIONS OF SEATS ON TRAINS 43. Reservations of seats on trains. 43.1 Iarnród Éireann (in addition to its rights by common law, statute, contract or otherwise) reserves the right to assign to passengers the seats, which they are to occupy. 43.2 A passenger shall not occupy a seat reserved for or assigned by Iarnród Éireann to another passenger. 43.3 Reserved seat tickets are issued subject to the conditions and regulations applicable to the passenger ticket to which the reserved seat ticket relates and to the special conditions, that Iarnród Éireann is not deemed to undertake to provide particular seats in the appropriate class, or any seats, and failure to do so will impose no liability upon Iarnród Éireann other than to refund the reservation fee paid. 43.4 Reserved seat tickets are valid only on production of the passenger tickets covering the journey and must be shown to and given up as required to Iarnród Éireann’s employees or agents. 43.5 Reserved seats must be claimed prior to the advertised departure time of the train. 43.6 Passengers at terminal stations who wish to claim their reserved seats must be available for boarding at least twenty minutes prior to the advertised departure time of the train.
foggy_lad wrote: » If I booked a seat and Irish Rail Failed to properly place my booking on the seat reservation system then that seat is not booked or reserved! There is plenty wrong with the IR booking system it regularly doesn't work properly and I have already said I would never sit in a seat that was visibly reserved as I would not like being disturbed halfway through my journey but once seated in an unreserved seat i wil not move and the conditions of carriage are on my side. Refusing to operate a booking system properly when the company is in such dire straits is bordering on criminal negligence. Having a ticket with a seat number on it is great but worthless if the reservation has not been placed on the respective seat. If i see a seat with no booking i will sit there and if you come to me and say that is my seat i will happily move but once the train has departed the station that seat is mine!There is absolutely NO obligation on any passenger who has legitimately obtained a seat to then give up that seat to someone claiming to have reserved the seat.
sligotrain wrote: » I'm old enough to remember the Izal paper in the Park Royal toilets :eek: Anything else is pure luxury, I tell ya!
Solair wrote: » I have also spoken to a lot of tourist who said they preferred to take busses because the railways tend to follow quite bland routes through the country compared to the road networks. The MK4 in particular makes it really hard to see out the windows too. On a typical dull irish day, you can hardly see anything as the window tints seem to have been specified for going through Southern Spain, not Ireland. The 22000s are far better in that regard. However, we could have had some panoramic carriages like you find in Canada or Switzerland or New Zealand with huge windows for viewing the scenery. They'd have worked very well on East Coast routes and maybe could have even been some kind of a selling-point for the disaster that is the Western Rail Corridor, although I am not sure if that really goes through all that spectacular an area, as victorian railways tended to avoid hills.
Losty Dublin wrote: » So you are suggesting that special viewing carriages are put onto lines which you say tourist claim to be bland?
