The Idyl Race wrote: » My reserved seat = you move. Simple really. Backed up by by-laws and the courts if you are really obstinate. The Internet is a great place for horseshít masquerading as fact but in real life actions have consequences.
foggy_lad wrote: » Your seat is only reserved if and when Irish rail properly inform all other passengers of the reservation from the start of the journey. Then I may sit in your seat but will know that it is reserved from xxx station and will happily move when you appear. It is not acceptable to allow people take a seat which appears unreserved only to take it from them without warning mid journey.
The Idyl Race wrote: » If I ever encounter you in my seat, pontificating as you do, it will be my very great pleasure to give you an expensive and time consuming lesson in what can and can not be done with an Irish Rail reservation. Considering that when I went to Waterford last week there was 1. a notice warning others not to sit there and 2. my name was over the seat I imagine you would be on very shaky ground indeed. Even if it wasn't there, the ticket with the reservation on it would be sufficent proof to shift your dogmatic backside. As others have pointed out, it is in the CIE by-laws that purchase of a ticket is no guarantee of a seat, and it is also a summary offence to tamper with a reserved seat. Good luck in court.
Losty Dublin wrote: » That's assuming every passenger is going to be aggressive around this, CT. The other way around is to reserve the seat for the whole trip which is reasonable if they board in Mallow or Limerick Junction but not if they board close to Dublin as the seat's then lost for a passenger who is doing a shorter trip; eg Cork-Mallow. In general, the vast majority of people are respectful of booked seats and will move once asked to; the obnoxious ones are a very small minority.
corktina wrote: » but the point is it was NOT reserved when the guy sat in it.... and your attitude seems somewhat beligerant and should you meet someone of the opposite opinion, anything might happen. IE are responsible for the mess, both passengers are right.
corktina wrote: » they coild be the ones carrying a knife....
homeless student wrote: » planes are one of the safestmodes of transport aswell, why dont we stand on them?
homeless student wrote: » standing on trains doesnthave to be a fact of life,
homeless student wrote: » add more carriages
homeless student wrote: » start charging the pensioners,there wouldnt be as many standing then.
homeless student wrote: » in fairness it wouldnt just be the skangers looking for their money back,
homeless student wrote: » plenty of tight respectible people around
Hilly Bill wrote: » inform all the passengers? 'this is your driver speaking,please dont sit in seat number 24 and 58 as these are reserved for joe and mary who will join us later'. I would have thought that people would act like adults and not like spoilt little kids . You still havent answerd my question from earlier foggy, would you sit in any seat you like in a theatre just because there wasnt a name on it? Do you make a habit of taking things that dont belong to you just because there wasnt a name on it?
The Idyl Race wrote: » I fail to understand why you believe both passengers are right when it has been clearly pointed out by two other posters that the reservation exists from the point it has been booked.
foggy_lad wrote: » The reservation only exists when it is displayed to other passengers on the train. If I sit in a seat that has no light on and no notice of reservation then once my journey starts and there is still no reservation on the seat that seat is mine for the duration of my journey! Nobody will move me without involving the Gardai and the train will be delayed while all that happens. Irish rail could also be sued very easily for taking a legitimately obtained seat from any passenger in favour of someone with a reservation when it is proven that the reservation was never highlighted to the passenger with no reservation. The reserved passenger would also need to prove they had arrived at the station 20minutes before the train departure time.
S.I. No. 109/1984: CORAS IOMPAIR ÉIREANN BYE-LAWS (CONFIRMATION) ORDER, 1984. CORAS IOMPAIR ÉIREANN BYE-LAWS (CONFIRMATION) ORDER, 1984.(2) Any person offending against any of the following Bye-Laws numbered, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17, 20, 23, 24, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 35 and failing to desist or quit, or failing to comply with the Bye-Law as the case may be, when requested so to do by an authorised person may be removed from the railway or any part thereof or any lift or vehicle by an authorised person without prejudice, where any penalty is prescribed as aforesaid for the contravention of any such Bye-Law, to such penalty.29. (1) No person shall occupy or use any compartment or seat in any vehicle on the railway upon which or in relation to which notice has been fixed or given by the Board that such compartment or seat is reserved, except the holder of a reservation ticket issued by the Board in respect of the holder's occupation or use of such compartment or seat.
sligotrain wrote: » I refer you to the Coras Iompair Eireann byelaws that govern the use of reserved seats on trains: [/FONT][/SIZE]Source: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1984/en/si/0109.htmlSo, in short, if you get asked to get out of your seat by a member of IÉ staff, you get out, and note they have the power to remove you from the train. No need to get the Guards involved.
end of the road wrote: » actually good old micko of ryanair is suggesting this yes it does, some of us don't care and just want to get where we need to go i agree. why? their entitled to it after working all their lives, you will be old soon, take away the free travel from the scangers and those who have self inflicted disabilities such as drug and alcohol addiction. ah yes it would, its only that sort who would do it and look for compensation for nothing. true, couldn't agree more
corktina wrote: » it doesn't say that. It says you may not occupy a seat that notice has been given blah blah blah,. You would need Legal Opinion on whether that means you can occupy and continue to occupy a seat where notice wasn't given. It is not clear that notice can be given after you occupy such seat ANyway, lets stop all the making excuses for IE....their system a) doesn't work very well and b) is not enforced
The Idyl Race wrote: » I see nobody making excuses for IE but I do see excuses being made for a regular who is determined to deprive a passenger of a properly booked seat.
homeless student wrote: » they are just taking up seats for free,
homeless student wrote: » madness,just because a person is old doesnt mean they should be entitled to free travel.
homeless student wrote: » I wont be old soon by the way, im in my 20's
corktina wrote: » trouble is if you DO take away the free travel for some or all of the pass holders, you probalby will be taking away a big chunk of the subsidy that allows the trains to run at all. SO, take away the free passes, everyones fares would go up or lines would close IMHO
29. (1) No person shall occupy or use any compartment or seat in any vehicle on the railway upon which or in relation to which notice has been fixed or given by the Board that such compartment or seat is reserved, except the holder of a reservation ticket issued by the Board in respect of the holder's occupation or use of such compartment or seat.
The Idyl Race wrote: » That's a good one, so foggy_lad needs his pass and my booked seat otherwise the railways are fooked, then..remarkable
corktina wrote: » it's IEs at fault if the seat is not flagged, not the hapless passenger who has to stand from Mallow to Dublin, whichever of them that turns out to be!
Losty Dublin wrote: » 1) A staff member is able to give notice of the board that a seat is reserved. If s/he requests you to move then you have to move. 2) There are still a lot of people who will take up the seat which has a reservation notice displayed. It's not the fault of the company is they ignore instruction, is it?
end of the road wrote: » yeah a couple, even if you got rid of the free travel for them it wouldn't make a difference to standing room. maybe not, but they are, and i don't have a problem with them having it after working all their lives. hahahahahahahaha, yeah right mate, i'm in my 20s to, but with the way the years ar flying it won't be long until 50 years have past and we are both old.
corktina wrote: » Not in that instance but that is not what I'm saying. I am talking about a seat where IE neglect to flag it as reserved. They cannot reserve retrospectively an occupied seat IMHO
foggy_lad wrote: » For a general admission ticket yes I would be entitled to sit in any seat in a theatre or cinema etc which is not marked out to me as being reserved. And Irish fail have an obligation to inform passengers Without reservations of which seats are booked and where they are booked from otherwise if these passengers sit in a seat without a reservation they are entitled to remain there for their journey even if halfway through the journey the light comes on to say reserved from the last stop.
