Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

Lelantos wrote: »

Atrocities like Omagh are nothing to do with civil wars & all to do with murder

Are you going to back up or withdraw your statement now?

The NGA is a supposed non party affiliated organisation, but it was run by IRA members, so that wasn't true. The vast majority of sales went to Sinn Féin & other organizations.

Do you have a source/sources to show that

(a) the NGA was run by IRA members

(b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?

gurramok

summerskin wrote: »

Yes, that must be it, The same as the Nigerians here who don't wear an Easter Lily as they object to Irish people not accepting the $56m that their Prince offered us just to look after his dead uncle's money...

Joking aside, can you explain from a British perspective why the Asian community have shunted the poppy?

gurramok wrote: »

Joking aside, can you explain from a British perspective why the Asian community have shunted the poppy?

Because, as backed up in polls, most of them do not feel British. Often they are Muslim first, Pakistani/Bangladeshi second, and British third. Some of them won't wear a poppy due to the UK forces being in Muslim countries.

It's not an unusual phenomenon, it's the same as second generation Irish people in the USA, UK, Oz etc still being "Irish" in their minds, or the Nigerians here who will always be Nigerian first and foremost.

Additionally, a large percentage of the Asian community are young, and the Poppy appeal is far less popular with the younger generation, be them Asian, West Indian, English or whatever. it's something that people usually support more once that are a little older and less bitter about the world.

When I was younger I would have never worn a poppy, for my own political and ideological reasons, the same way i would never stand for the national anthem as it celebrates royalty and i am a republican. Of course, for most people, these beliefs mellow over time and you end up becoming slightly more a part of the establishment, and then wear the Poppy.

summerskin wrote: »

Because, as backed up in polls, most of them do not feel British. Often they are Muslim first, Pakistani/Bangladeshi second, and British third. Some of them won't wear a poppy due to the UK forces being in Muslim countries.

It's not an unusual phenomenon, it's the same as second generation Irish people in the USA, UK, Oz etc still being "Irish" in their minds, or the Nigerians here who will always be Nigerian first and foremost.

Additionally, a large percentage of the Asian community are young, and the Poppy appeal is far less popular with the younger generation, be them Asian, West Indian, English or whatever. it's something that people usually support more once that are a little older and less bitter about the world.

When I was younger I would have never worn a poppy, for my own political and ideological reasons, the same way i would never stand for the national anthem as it celebrates royalty and i am a republican. Of course, for most people, these beliefs mellow over time and you end up becoming slightly more a part of the establishment, and then wear the Poppy.

i.e WWI & WWII nostalgia is confined to the more mature WASP...:D

partyguinness wrote: »

i.e WWI & WWII nostalgia is confined to the more mature WASP...:D

...a nostalgia that usually involves forgetting the brown folk that fought for them....

Nodin wrote: »

...a nostalgia that usually involves forgetting the brown folk that fought for them....

You mean like the Ghurkas? You know, the ones the majority of British people think have done an amazing job?

Now don't go talking about the government's mistreatment of them, that wasn't by the people.

Funnily this thread is making me more patriotic than i ever used to be. Nothing like having your bitter little stepchild-nation having a go at you to make you realise what a great nation the UK is. Never come across any of that bitterness there. People have moved on, why can't you?

Why do you care, seriously, about the UK? It's of no importance to you. Trust me, the british couldn't give a toss about what happens here, or your "800 years" that is spouted ad nauseum.

Move on, it might cheer you up.

summerskin wrote: »

You mean like the Ghurkas? You know, the ones the majority of British people think have done an amazing job?

Now don't go talking about the government's mistreatment of them, that wasn't by the people.

Funnily this thread is making me more patriotic than i ever used to be. Nothing like having your bitter little stepchild-nation having a go at you to make you realise what a great nation the UK is. Never come across any of that bitterness there. People have moved on, why can't you?

Why do you care, seriously, about the UK? It's of no importance to you. Trust me, the british couldn't give a toss about what happens here, or your "800 years" that is spouted ad nauseum.

Move on, it might cheer you up.

I can see the veins bulging from here...;)

As a matter of interest, why are you on this site? I have failed to find similar sites in the UK.

summerskin wrote: »

You mean like the Ghurkas? You know, the ones the majority of British people think have done an amazing job?

Now don't go talking about the government's mistreatment of them, that wasn't by the people..

Tens of thousands of Africans died in British service in WW1. 40,000 indians died in France, if I recall. Yet the various war monuments aren't exactly icons of multiculturalism, are they?

summerskin wrote: »

Funnily this thread is making me more patriotic than i ever used to be. Nothing like having your bitter little stepchild-nation having a go at you to make you realise what a great nation the UK is. Never come across any of that bitterness there. People have moved on, why can't you?

Why do you care, seriously, about the UK? It's of no importance to you. Trust me, the british couldn't give a toss about what happens here, or your "800 years" that is spouted ad nauseum.

Move on, it might cheer you up.

....."great nation" based on what? Shooting fellas armed with sticks and awarding yerselves medals for it? Seeing as Britain wasn't on the receiving end, I don't see what they have to be bitter about.

Instead of asking me rhetorical questions, you might reread the title of the thread as well.

Death and Taxes

summerskin wrote: »

You mean like the Ghurkas? You know, the ones the majority of British people think have done an amazing job?

Now don't go talking about the government's mistreatment of them, that wasn't by the people.

Funnily this thread is making me more patriotic than i ever used to be. Nothing like having your bitter little stepchild-nation having a go at you to make you realise what a great nation the UK is. Never come across any of that bitterness there. People have moved on, why can't you?

Why do you care, seriously, about the UK? It's of no importance to you. Trust me, the british couldn't give a toss about what happens here, or your "800 years" that is spouted ad nauseum.

Move on, it might cheer you up.

Condescending, insulting crap!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Condescending, insulting crap!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

The poster has not come across any of the bitterness "there" and they have "moved on"....interesting...moved on from what exactly?

Ironic really, that he should say that during Remembrance Week..!

(Post not directed at WileyCoyote)

golden lane

summerskin wrote: »

Because, as backed up in polls, most of them do not feel British. Often they are Muslim first, Pakistani/Bangladeshi second, and British third. Some of them won't wear a poppy due to the UK forces being in Muslim countries.

It's not an unusual phenomenon, it's the same as second generation Irish people in the USA, UK, Oz etc still being "Irish" in their minds, or the Nigerians here who will always be Nigerian first and foremost.

Additionally, a large percentage of the Asian community are young, and the Poppy appeal is far less popular with the younger generation, be them Asian, West Indian, English or whatever. it's something that people usually support more once that are a little older and less bitter about the world.

When I was younger I would have never worn a poppy, for my own political and ideological reasons, the same way i would never stand for the national anthem as it celebrates royalty and i am a republican. Of course, for most people, these beliefs mellow over time and you end up becoming slightly more a part of the establishment, and then wear the Poppy.

they are entitled to feel how they wish.....

poppy sellers do not expect everybody to stop and buy a poppy......it is a choice.....

something i fear many posters would wish to take away......i am appalled by bsome posts....

Fratton Fred

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Condescending, insulting crap!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

There is loads of condescending, insulting carp on this thread tbh. However this is the only time it has been directed in the Irish direction, not the British.

Fratton Fred

Nodin wrote: »

...a nostalgia that usually involves forgetting the brown folk that fought for them....

In what way?

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There is loads of condescending, insulting carp on this thread tbh. However this is the only time it has been directed in the Irish direction, not the British.

You never could face up to your nations past.

Lelantos

Nodin wrote: »

Are you going to back up or withdraw your statement now?

Do you have a source/sources to show that

(a) the NGA was run by IRA members

(b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?

Have already told you & told you where to look, not my place to lead you by the hand.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

In what way?

Well its not exactly a day where we see the great diversity of the Empires forces, is it? Not a British phenomena, mind you, as the French are as bad.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

There is loads of condescending, insulting carp on this thread tbh. However this is the only time it has been directed in the Irish direction, not the British.

Our house..our rules..:D

If we want to rant away about all sorts of nonsense to pass the time: we will.

Lelantos wrote: »

Have already told you & told you where to look, not my place to lead you by the hand.

You supplied some half arsed anecdote. Unless thats a suggestion to insert my head in my own posterior and pull out something from within, I'm not seeing how thats telling me "where to look". Newspaper reports, the result of court cases.....thats whats required.

Now - from the top

The NGA is a supposed non party affiliated organisation, but it was run by IRA members, so that wasn't true. The vast majority of sales went to Sinn Féin & other organizations.

Do you have a source/sources to show that

(a) the NGA was run by IRA members

(b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?

GRMA

Lelantos wrote: »

Have already told you & told you where to look, not my place to lead you by the hand.

They are serious allegations, you need to back them up.

Death and Taxes

partyguinness wrote: »

Our house..our rules..:D

If we want to rant away about all sorts of nonsense to pass the time: we will.

Now now, don't you know that bitter stepchildren should be seen and not heard!:D

Lelantos

GRMA wrote: »

They are serious allegations, you need to back them up.

Really? See you in court.

partyguinness wrote: »

I can see the veins bulging from here...;)

As a matter of interest, why are you on this site? I have failed to find similar sites in the UK.

Because I live in Ireland. But I agree, there are no mainstream sites in the UK that are obsessed by Ireland in the way posters here are UK obsessed.

Lelantos

Nodin wrote: »

You supplied some half arsed anecdote. Unless thats a suggestion to insert my head in my own posterior and pull out something from within, I'm not seeing how thats telling me "where to look". Newspaper reports, the result of court cases.....thats whats required.

Now - from the top

Do you have a source/sources to show that

(a) the NGA was run by IRA members

(b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?

I have actually seen confrontations between NGA & Sinn Fein members outside churches to see who should be selling their easter lillies. Tis gas watching them fight amongst themselves I must say

GRMA wrote: »

You never could face up to your nations past.

We don't need to. We are aware of our history, and it's nothing we, as individuals, have anything to face up to. We have moved on, the past is gone.

Some of us even drink German beer, how about that?

Lelantos wrote: »

I have actually seen confrontations between NGA & Sinn Fein members outside churches to see who should be selling their easter lillies. Tis gas watching them fight amongst themselves I must say

More anecdotes? Why don't you either back up what you claim, or withdraw it?

Do you have a source/sources to show that

(a) the NGA was run by IRA members

(b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?

summerskin wrote: »

Because I live in Ireland. But I agree, there are no mainstream sites in the UK that are obsessed by Ireland in the way posters here are UK obsessed.

To be honest, I was speaking in a general sense. Seriously, I would like to find a similar website to boards in the UK.

Well you have given us a lot of ammo...how many years again....?;)

I would not take it too much to heart.

summerskin wrote: »

We don't need to. We are aware of our history, and it's nothing we, as individuals, have anything to face up to. We have moved on, the past is gone.

Some of us even drink German beer, how about that?

I don't blame you. Carling is ****e.

Plus I am not aware of the Germans invading Britain for hundreds of years, subjecting the British people to the same well documented and systematic cultural cleansing (ethnic cleansing is some eyes) as this country was subject to...so yeah we will not let this go anytime soon...comparing it a summer or two of aerial bombing is probably not in the same league but lets not start that again.:D

partyguinness wrote: »

I don't blame you. Carling is ****e.

Watery piss. back in the day you wouldn't even use it to make snakebite.