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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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emg74

Hi - We are heating 9 radiators from the Stove - Sizes as follows :

Bed1 1600 x 500 (single)
Bed2 970 x 500 (Double)
EnSuite 500 x 500 (single)
Bed3 1200 x 500 (single) & Rad in wardrobe 400 x 500 (single)
Bed4 1200 x 500 (single) & Rad in wardrobe 400 x 500 (single)
Bathroom 900 x 500 (single)
Hall Corridor 1400 x 500 (single)

The stove also heats the room it is in plus the adjoining kitchen & utility room

The radiators are good and hot. I have a couple of thermostats in the kids rooms and they are around 21-22 degrees at bedtime. The stove is lit every day but I work on Mon-Wed so no fire till about 7pm those 3 evenings.

Temp in living room is currently 25.2 degrees with a small fire since this morning.

We burn a mix of turf / firewood & smokeless coal

Hope this helps

gomamochi1

GaryCocs wrote: »

Hi Lads,

Quick question, I've a charnwood country 16B in the kitchen (flue out the back) and I must say I love it, heats the whole downstairs all day for half a bag of smokeless and a few sticks.

Only problem I have at the moment is the draw doesn't seem to be great.

If I open the door to reload smoke comes out and the glass blackens so you can't see the fire way too fast (have a smaller one in the other room and it's fine!)

Is there anything I can do to improve the draw, I know I can open the vent and stuff but I would prefer to slow the burn and still have a good draw?

Thanks
Gary

Was recently with a stove installer and they suggested never to flu out the back as draw is never good enough and soot can build up behind. Think the Hetac installation guidelines in the uk don't allow this also! Interesting its common practice here!

Brianne

Thanks emg. You seem to have plenty heat from that stove certainly.

rocketman2010

Has anyone any expereince with the Stovax View 8 or Yemoan CL8 with the back boiler? I know they are expensive but I really like the look of them. The guy in store reckons it will service the house sufficiently but I don't think it will from my own calculations.

Brianne

I was speaking to a guy in a stove shop this evening and he said the Yola stove is one of the best on the market at the minute. He sells various types. They' re new out, made in Wexford. Im hoping to see one over the weekend. Its hard to decide whats the best.

lostinashford

emg74 wrote: »

Hi - We are heating 9 radiators from the Stove - Sizes as follows :

Bed1 1600 x 500 (single)
Bed2 970 x 500 (Double)
EnSuite 500 x 500 (single)
Bed3 1200 x 500 (single) & Rad in wardrobe 400 x 500 (single)
Bed4 1200 x 500 (single) & Rad in wardrobe 400 x 500 (single)
Bathroom 900 x 500 (single)
Hall Corridor 1400 x 500 (single)

What stove are u using emg74?

Thanks

emg74

lostinashford wrote: »

What stove are u using emg74?

Thanks

It is the Stratford EB12He Boiler stove - Bought it during the summer, so far very happy with it

Patsy52

Hi all, new to the forum so I hope I'm posting in the right place!
Had a Stovax Riva avanti 66 installed last spring and very pleased with it until this week when I notice scorch or soot marks on the wall above he top frame vents. I have heat resistant plaster on the wall around the stove and a paint finish. Any ideas why the scorch marks are only appearing now? Is it a stove problem or a paint problem?

bonham23

Hi,
We have had an Efel stove fitted for a number of years now without any real issues. When we first got it we were burning old wood cut-off from a building site which were very dry,these burned very well and quite hot. However since we switched to ash and Leylandii the stove smokes badly. The wood is dry but doesn't burn as hot as the cut-offs. My question is,what is the maximum length
the horizontal pipe can be at the back of the stove? We extended the standard pipe that came with the stove and have it joining the chimney flue at a 90 degree angle. the existing flue was also not lined. I have a feeling that the smoke is gathering in this extended piece of pipe. Also can a 90 degree bend be used on these stoves or is 45 degrees the norm
thanks for the help.

hatch03

emg74 wrote: »

No exp of the Stratford EB20He but we installed the EB12HE during the summer and I am really happy with it. It is heating our rads really well. Seems to be fuel efficient and looks good. The glass is easy to keep clean and once cleaned it stays clean all day which is important to me.... I like to be able to see my fire

We got our walls pumped recently and upgraded the attic insulation last year (12 Yr old bungalow) and between that and the stove, I don't anticipate having to use the oil this year. The house seems to hold the heat well and I think the fact that the rads are warm for a long time, the house just doesn't seem to get cold at all.

I don't have any personal experience of the Stanley only that my in-laws have the Stanley Erin (I think, the big one with the pattern on the door) and to me it doesn't feel as solid as ours when ever I have to open and shut the door on theirs. I think a lot of people have great faith in them as they are a long established brand name but I don't know if they are as good as other stoves on the market. Also the glass on both my parent-in-laws and brother-in-laws stove never seems to be clean. I know MIL cleans her glass every day but to me it seems to be blackened all the time.... Only a small thing I'm sure but as I said earlier I like to be able to see the fire!!

Thanks emg
I think the Stratford the right way too go, its a tidyer stove, do u know are they a new model and would they stand the test of time?
Thanks again

chelbi

mk2 wrote: »

The performance is great i can't belive the heat in the house,i have 12 rads coming off it and it heats them no problem,the chieftain is 17kw output 15kw to water and 2kw to the room which is about right for me,i would advise anyone thats thinking about getting a stove in to do it its well worth it you would think the heating is on from about an hour after the fire is lit,the materials cost me €690 including pump tank and thermostat,the plumber charged €600 for the work he had to mod the flu reducer to fit and he got a plasterer to patch up the wall and he fitted the chimney cowel,and the stove and fireplace cost €2960 fitted feel free to ask any questions!

Had this installed in June and it is my only source of heating I had the gas taken out and the meter because they wanted to charge a daily rate just for having it in the wall even though it would not be in use. We are delighted with the stove performance so far it's been pretty cold for the past few days and now instead of heating only the rooms we were using we now can heat all our rooms at a fraction of what it was costing to heat our house with gas!

:D:D

amytomjerry

What do you think of this....my cottage(one storey) is 80 years old, chimney isn't lined of course...so I am planning in putting in a Oisin stove. The chimney has to be lined and insulated with vermiculite....fireplace redone with brick, brick work supplied and done, flue etc supplied and fitted, slate fitted....1700euro...

Can someone explain to me the purpose of the lining & vermiculite.....is it really necessary if a flue is used......thanks!

niallo32

I have a Stanley Erin boiler stove.

I open the main valve all the way for the first ten minutes or so when lighting it then close it all the way to zero on the main valve.

It still seems to burn really fast - where is the secondary valve I can close as ideally I just want this burning slowly in the background as I also have gas..

Or can anyone suggest anything else??

Thanks

Links234

Hey folks!

sorry if my question was too vague last time. I've been looking at stoves with my mum and she had been convinced by a friend that an insert stove would be useless as "all the heat would go up the chimney" which I thought was ridiculous. so I was looking to find out if there really would be a huge difference between in how much heat an insert would throw out to a room compared to the other kind of stove. I'm concerned that we wouldn't have enough space in the room she's thinking of putting it if we got the non-insert stove. so we were looking in a shop today that seemed really awesome, and the guy there seemed to explain everything really well to us.

I think we've both settled on a stove that we both like now, which is the Henley Valentia. one thing that my mum seemed to really like about it is that it's not completely inside the fireplace, there's like (excuse me if I'm using wrong terms here, I am a bit of a noob) a lip around it about 2 or 3 inches with vents that would be out from the fireplace. you can see here in the pic: http://www.henleystoves.com/images/valentia-gallery/33valentia-gallery.jpg

so I think that's pretty cool and my mum seems to love it.

I made sure to ask loads of questions myself, told the guy the size of the room it would be heating, which is 5m x 4m and he told us that it would be more than enough.

but I guess I've still got a few questions, so...

is Henley a good brand? I mean, all the stoves we've seen are all very solid looking, so I don't really know if there's going to be a huge amount of difference?

and we've heard different things about if it's worth it to put the steel pipe the full length of the chimney or not? both myself and my mum are leaning towards getting it the full length, but the guy in the shop was saying we'd really only need about a meter of it up from the stove itself and that the difference wouldn't be much?

thanks guys!

pat the builder

Hi all , wondering if anyone can help , have never posted here , first timer ,so please bare with me .We have purchased an ESSE 350 gs stove insert , our home is a 3 bed semi ,8 double radiators ,heat provided by natural gas boiler. Prior to the purchase of stove insert ,we thought we would be able to combine new stove with existing gas boiler.

We have had conflicting advice on this matter.

One plumber said we can only have one system.

The shop from where we purchased it says the plumber they use connects both systems on a regular basis.

Has anyone had this done? Kind regards.

Jack534

When fitting an insert boiler stove when there is a perfectly good chimney is there any need for a flue pipe and reducer

Robbie.G

Jack534 wrote: »

When fitting an insert boiler stove when there is a perfectly good chimney is there any need for a flue pipe and reducer

It is not completely nessesary but the stove will be more efficient with a flue liner and correctly sized flue
If the flue is to large it's hard to keep the flue gases temperatures high if they cool this can lead to condensation in the flue and stove which can cause corrosion and also lead to the production of credo des that can blok a flue

Jack534

Robbie.G wrote: »

It is not completely nessesary but the stove will be more efficient with a flue liner and correctly sized flue
If the flue is to large it's hard to keep the flue gases temperatures high if they cool this can lead to condensation in the flue and stove which can cause corrosion and also lead to the production of credo des that can blok a flue

. Thanks Robbin would 1 metre of flue and reducer be sufficent

rocketman2010

Ok guys I really need to decide what stove to buy. As mentioned earlier I was interested in the Stovax view 8 with backboiler. My problem is I feel it might not be sufficient for my needs. The sales guy and also my plumber felt the stove "isn't far off" what I need. This means turning down/off some rads or putting the oil on at the start to supplement the stove. But my idea of putting in the stove with bb was to lessen use of oil and fully heat water, room and house. I will list my rad sizes here and room dimensions if anyone would be able to help??

Room 23ftx13ftx8ft high
Water Tank 40 Gallons
1100x500 Double
1100x400 Double
900x400 Double
900x400 Double
900x500 Double
700x500 Single
500x500 Single
700x500 Single
Towel Rad

The first two rads I listed will be in the main room where the stove will be.

Will I need to give up on the View8hb(5kw to room and Max 10kw to boiler) and try and get something with a bit more uumphh?!

raglan

Got a Stratford 16 installed a few weeks ago. Up until now have been burning ordinary coal that we had left over, but got 2 bags of anthracite yesterday, as it is one of the HETAS approved fuels recommended to burn. Expected great things from it, from reach on web today it seems anthracite is very difficult to master to burn. Not that much heat from stove, as I can still put my hand on it to touch. Have to say, am very happy with heat in rads and hot water but overall heat from stove to room am not happy with so far but assume its a learning curve to find right fuel to burn and use of controls. I see Ecobrite mentioned a lot, what do people burn in their stoves? Which do people find better in their stoves, ecobrite or anthracite? Any other information that would be helpful on increasing room heat from stove would be much appreciated. Thanks

gomamochi1

Jack534 wrote: »

When fitting an insert boiler stove when there is a perfectly good chimney is there any need for a flue pipe and reducer

You need an adapter as what can happen if u don't back up to the flu with vermiculite you will have soot build up that will eventually catch fire!

Quin_Dub

All,

Looking for some advice..

I have a small multi-fuel stove that I've had for about 4 years now..

I need to find a replacement grate - the stove itself is quite small..

It's 19.5" High , 13" wide and 17 3/4" deep (external measurements)

Does anyone know of suppliers in Ireland that would stock grates for this sized stove?

I originally purchased the stove in Scotland , but they currently do not have any parts in stock..

Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated..

Thanks in advance.

randombar

gomamochi1 wrote: »

Was recently with a stove installer and they suggested never to flu out the back as draw is never good enough and soot can build up behind. Think the Hetac installation guidelines in the uk don't allow this also! Interesting its common practice here!

Thanks for the update, might look at changing it to a 45 coming out the top instead so, hopefully that'll improve it enough to get the draw right. There'll still be a bend but out the top rather than at the back. Does anyone have any experience with this?

Looking at it now I dont know how I'd clean the bloody chimney the way it's set up now anyway??

mickydcork

I'm looking for someone that can install a new flue in my chimney and connect it to a mutli-fuel stove and back fill with vermiculite etc.

I have pre-purchased the flue liner and connections etc.

PM me any names and recommendations. Dublin area.

Any idea of costs? It would be labour for one day I suppose.

Mick

SmithySeller

Folks, small bit of advice. Im trying to size a stove. I will have at least 3metres of uninsulated flu pipe in the room rising from the stove before it hits the insulated part. Should I bear this mind when sizing the output of a stove? How much heat would 3 metres give out approx?

lucillel

Does anyone have the Dimplex Westcott 4.3kw stove inset ?? If so how do they find it. The fire box seems small but i have a small sitting room and 4.3kw would be enough. Cant find any reviews.

What other stoves would suit a small room ie 5kw or less ?? help please

lucillel

Hi, been looking for some reviews on this stove, how are u finding it now?? the fire basket looks small do u have to refuel alot ?? is it worth the buy. i have a small sitting room and think this would be idea, just worried re size of fire box. and lack of reviews.. thanks..

lucillel

fatherted1969 wrote: »

Hi lads. I've been looking around for the last couple of weeks for an insert stove. I had an open eire in my sitting room and after last winter i swore i wouldn't waste that much money on feeding an open fire. I bought a Dimplex Wescott 4.3kw during the week and put it in today. I'm only using small amounts of turf as that's whats recomended and have to say its early days but it seems to be great so far. Its very simple to fit and for someone that's on a tight budget its a very reasonable price of €420. I should be able to recoup my money over a winter or 2 on solid fuel.

Links234

so, can anyone tell me if the Henley stoves are good?

SmithySeller

Looks like we are missing Stove Fan since he retired, lots of questions and no answers