billybudd wrote: » I march once a year for the brave Mau-mau rebellion brothers and sisters who lost their lives in the 50's Kenya.
billybudd wrote: » Yes i know, seperate issue? how so, should i wear half a poppy for the half who died in a noble war?
Latchy wrote: » I don't really concern myself with these issues but like the debate over weather Irish people should wear a poppy or not , I've seen some Irish people on parades wear a metal pin badge which has both tricolor and union jack (union flag) together , indicating they are supportive and representing people of both nationality's , a small but significant gesture .
gurramok wrote: » Will you be remembering the Bloody Sunday soldiers at the commemoration?
billybudd wrote: » Cool, but this thread is about the poppy?
Latchy wrote: » As mentioned you'll find that many hundreds of Irish who march in Remembrance Sunday parade will be marching to remember all Irishmen ''north and south '' who died in conflicts as well as others who died in conflicts around the world ,which is not specific to one period in history but you'll also find that all ex soldiers, regardless of who they are, or where they are from, will not want to be associated with the behavior and history of some regiments and that goes without saying but it doesn't and shouldn't stop them from remembering the bigger and wider history of events involved . I'm sure the American ex servicemen who served during world war two wouldn't like to be associated with those involved in Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam or the behavior of some of their soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan ...different events of different generations.Nor is it about the Mau Mau uprising ... like how many threads do you see in AH which go totally off topic ? You can post additional information without doing so just as I have done .
billybudd wrote: » Well its not OT because its one of the many reasons why i would not wear a poppy.
Lelantos wrote: » Again, look at the associate members of the organisation, see where the members of the groups meet, see who goes to those meetings. ...............
The NGA is a supposed non party affiliated organisation, but it was run by IRA members, so that wasn't true. The vast majority of sales went to Sinn Féin & other organizations.
Latchy wrote: » The people who fought on the British side in the Mau Mau Rebellion are represented by people from Kenya who wear poppy's .That is all on that .
Latchy wrote: » As mentioned you'll find that many hundreds of Irish who march in Remembrance Sunday parade will be marching to remember all Irishmen ''north and south '' who died in conflicts as well as others who died in conflicts around the world ,which is not specific to one period in history but you'll also find that all ex soldiers, regardless of who they are, or where they are from, will not want to be associated with the behavior and history of some regiments and that goes without saying but it doesn't and shouldn't stop them from remembering the bigger and wider history of events involved . I'm sure the American ex servicemen who served during world war two wouldn't like to be associated with those involved in Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam or the behavior of some of their soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan ...different events of different generations.
gurramok wrote: » Is this an admission of shame about "regiments" like the Para's?
Do you have a problem funding their ex-members welfare?
GRMA wrote: » Don't forget the British army readmitted the scum who murdered teenager Peter McBride. One of the two left the army after being injured in Afghanistan. And you lot give him money. The BA have consistently defended and covered up murders by their soldiers. And when they are caught, like Mark Wright and James Fisher were, they pat them on the back and keep them in the army, as if they did nothing wrong.http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/nov/25/northernireland.richardnortontaylorhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/3850831.stm Soldiers get chucked out of the British army for smoking weed. Obviously a far worse crime than murdering an Irish teenager.
Latchy wrote: » You would have to ask somebody who served in the Paras that question . Do you always ask such like questions like your in a court of law or something ? I buy a Poppy !
WileyCoyote wrote: » Wheras the brave IRA vent their venom on kids buying mothers day presents in warrington, or aussie tourists in germany! Don't engage in whatabouttery unless you want to face some pretty nasty facts about the IRA both old and provo!
Nodin wrote: » Lets try this again - you made two very specific serious allegations Do you have a source/sources to show that (a) the NGA was run by IRA members and (b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"?
gurramok wrote: » Is this an admission of shame about "regiments" like the Para's? Do you have a problem funding their ex-members welfare?
indioblack wrote: » It seemed like a reasonable reply to me. Why should he feel shame concerning the behaviour of individuals in the military? Would you want to be expected to feel personal shame about the activities of some of your countrymen? I assume most of the funding of former members of the military comes from the UK taxpayer - are we therefore all guilty of supporting the killers on Bloody Sunday?
gurramok wrote: » I'm asking you as you are involved by your own admission in the Poppy Day events.
The question is 100% relevant,
Latchy wrote: » Yes by doing so (we) do more for Anglo Irish relations then anything else simply by been there .The great thing about it is seeing people from all these islands mix before and after the event for a chat and sometime take the piss because we don''t all see eye to eye on everything either ( we are not sheep ) . Then we all go home .:)
Latchy wrote: » You're under the illusion that I and millions more like me have to answer such questions .Wrong
gurramok wrote: » Buying a poppy funds the welfare of ex-members of the BA who murdered Irish civilians. It on the RBL link I showed you. No, it wasn't a reasonable reply, he dodged the question. You seriously have to ask why he should feel shame about the behaviour of individuals in the military who represent him? How about murder of a couple hundred Irish unarmed civilians of all ages and gender from 1970 onwards. Unless you are also ok with soldiers murdering civilans :mad:
indioblack wrote: » I would not expect you to feel shame over the deaths caused by paramilitary groups - as an individual you may or may not feel regret - depending on how you view it. You ask if I am in favour of murder - well, take a chance and assume I'm not!
Lelantos wrote: » Serious allegations? The truth is beyond some provos & their ilk. Again, since you are being a little obtuse, just look at the associate members & you have your answers. But I believe you already know this.
Nodin wrote: » You seem to be confusing "somebody said on the internet" and hearsay with evidence and proof. You made very serious, very specific allegations. Now if somebody "o theres republicans on the committee" then thats fair enough, because you could be from any walk of life and a number of parties and be a republican. You also alleged criminal misuse of funds. So, again, from the top - you stated Do you have a source/sources to show that (a) the NGA was run by IRA members and (b) that the "vast majority" of monies raised went to "Sinn Fein & other organizations"? Either please provide some proof, or be as good as to withdraw the allegations.
Lelantos wrote: » Ok, let's put it another way, prove me 100% incorrect & then we will talk. I have no intention or interest in naming names on an internet forum. You can waffle all day long for all I care. Anyone who has ever been to Bodenstown for the commemoration will tell you who was there, who spoke & exactly how close the NGA are to Sinn fein.
gurramok So you don't care about killers killing civilians in your name and funding their welfare by buying a poppy, lovely attitude.
gurramok wrote: » Do the victims be there?
