Ghandee wrote: » Their will be plenty of banners from any number of political parties and anti austerity groups LD. You're not obliged to affiliate with, or march under any banner representing any group either. (done let anyone stop you marching if you feel it is right to do so mate)
K-9 wrote: » Actually we are far from Greece. While the FT piece is correct internationally, Ireland is actually an outlier when it comes to austerity, it does damage but not to the extent of Greece, Portugal, France etc.
K-9 wrote: » Snip......... As for rates or this tax, we aren't going to get anything extra for this tax, I think it's naieve to expect otherwise. Why would we given the budget? ...............snip
K-9 wrote: » I do think this is more emotional, Irish people and the gra for the ould plot, fuelled the boom and the crash after all. The social charge was unpopular but this has "the Field" element to it as well.
Le_Dieux wrote: » France? Where do they come into the picture K9?
lugha wrote: » There is undoubtedly an element of this in play. But I would also say that there is conservative streak to resist the new and unfamiliar. There was a very similar emotive response when the smoking ban was introduced. There were all manner of dark mutterings about this “doing” for FF at the next election. And of course we know what happened, or rather didn’t happen. Granted the smoking ban had a social rather than economic impact and in a neat symmetry, we were the first to introduce such a ban and will be one of the last to introduce a property tax. But anyone who remembers the smoking ban’s introduction will recognise familiar echoes here, with references to political suicide and the like. Granted the property tax might well “do” for this government, though as Albert Reynolds (?) once said, it is as often as not some little thing that does for you. But equally well, it might be instantly accepted as the smoking ban was. I expect it will largely hinge on how the court cases play out.
bgrizzley wrote: » there is no choice here. you are backed into a corner with an implied threat on your home. yes the field comes into it here, but try and remember that if half of the country didnt have the passion for their homes that you see in the protest about this tax, we wouldnt even be a Republic now...
K-9 wrote: » They are referred to in the FT article you quoted.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Isn't that what is totally wrong with this HHC K9? We are being told to pay this charge/tax and get nothing for it. Then people look to foreign shores, and see ( in the UK's case) what they get for their fee. Bin collection/GP's etc. I agree, we will get nothing extra, but then why must we, the hardpressed household owner, have to pay more for something we never caused?
dxhound2005 wrote: » In the case England and Wales Council Tax only pays for about 25% of local spending. So the big long lists of everything people get for property tax in the GB and NI is not really correct is it? Three quarters is being paid for by income tax etc passed on in central government grants much like this country. I am still better off paying €100 HHC and €280 for bins compared to an average £1200 Council Tax. And in England and Wales they have to pay for water separately from the Council Tax.http://www.council-tax.com/localservices.htmlCouncil Tax is used to contribute to the funding of local services. It generates about 25 billion pounds a year and makes up about a quarter of local authority financing with the rest of the money provided by central government grants and redistributed national non domestic rates.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Using Your figures here DX, the UK uses £100million on a population of (what?) 50 million? Our lot want €160m for a population of ( what?) 4.5Million? Based on those figures each person in the UK equates to £2/person while here it is €35.5. Why is there such a difference?
Ghandee wrote: » UK, population 62.6 million 100,000,000 / 62,000,000 = £1.66 Ireland, population 4.7 million 160,000,000 / 4 ,000,000 = €40. Nearly fifty times more. :eek:
Ghandee wrote: » Where's our income tax going to so? What's it being spent on, seeing as how we already pay for refuse/health/education separately, and in some cases to private companies. Then they expect a property tax to pay for local services on top of everything else. So, in the UK. Income tax/council tax pays for services. Ireland, income tax/pay privately for refuse/health/education, them a property tax to pay for local services too. What does our income tax get spent on so?
Ghandee wrote: » What does our income tax get spent on so?
Le_Dieux wrote: » Apologies K9, the only reference to France I can find ( I know my sight ain't the best:-)) is this: And the IMF is urging that countries who have ‘room to maneuvre’ such as the UK, France and the Netherlands, should “smooth their planned adjustment over 2013 and beyond” if growth falls significantly below the IMF’s increasingly gloomy forecasts.
mikom wrote: » Add in the ould vehicle registration tax and the universal social charge on top of that. Another two those in the UK need not worry about being pissed away.
dvpower wrote: » Hope this helps in your research.http://www.finance.gov.ie/viewdoc.asp?DocID=2637
dvpower wrote: » There is no threat to anybody's home - the only people implying the threat are you and other scaremongers on the anti property tax side.
bgrizzley wrote: » if phil hogan says i cant transfer my house to my child or sell it without permission from the government thats a threat. are you foolish enough to trust future governements not to do this?
dvpower wrote: » Nobody needs permission from the government to transfer property. That is just scaremongering.
dvpower wrote: » Nobody needs permission from the government to transfer property. That is just scaremongering. Edit: That link is from the United States, not this jurisdiction. Putting forward some practice in a foreign jurisdiction and wondering if a future government here might introduce that measure is just about a perfect example of scaremongering that you could come up with. Well done you.
What happens if I don't pay? A person who does not pay the Household Charge by the payment date leaves themselves open to a late payment fee plus interest. Furthermore, the Household Charge and any accumulated late payment fee plus interest will be a charge against the property concerned and will continue to be such for twelve years after the charge or late payment fees plus interest concerned became due. Any Household Charges or late payment fees plus interest due on a residential property will have to be discharged, in full, before a transfer or sale of the property can be completed.
bgrizzley wrote: » dress it up what ever way you want, but a certificate of discharge if you want to sell/transfer/whatever is permission from the government to do that.
dvpower wrote: » Edit: That link is from the United States, not this jurisdiction. Putting forward some practice in a foreign jurisdiction and wondering if a future government here might introduce that measure is just about a perfect example of scaremongering that you could come up with. Well done you.
dvpower wrote: » Its you that is doing the dressing up. A few posts ago you were saying that the HHC introduced a threat to a persons property. It does not. Now you've rowed back a bit and recognize that all you need to do is discharge your debts before you choose to sell your property. Which of course does not mean that you need permission, no matter how you want to dress it up.
bgrizzley wrote: » I never implied it was Irish. you, however, never answered my question. Are you foolish enough to trust an Irish government in the future not to follow that practice in the States?
dvpower wrote: » Why are you continuing to scaremonger? There is no proposal at all, by anyone, to introduce any of the measures contained in your link. The only possible reason for you to introduce it to this discussion is to scaremonger.
bgrizzley wrote: » still not an answer
