round tower huntsman wrote: » the poppy is a fundraising exercise its not soley about remembering the fallen from ww1. its raises money for ba vets that have servedin every imperialist deed of the empire. you are basically supporting the brit war machine. if you wear a poppy you support the ba's actions in ireland,iraq,afghansitan etc............ no other way of putting it.
Chuck Stone wrote: » It's really quite pathetic how you're trying foist responsibility onto the Irish for British Soldiers coming home from Afghanistan in body bags.
Japer wrote: » ............. Personally I think the world is a safer place thanks to the UK / US, and we shelter behind their umbrella as usual.
Fratton Fred wrote: » They voted to send people to war.
The total value of American reconstruction aid to Afghanistan in the fiscal 2002 budget that the Congress approved amounted to $942.1 million. That was probably $500 million short of what was needed that year, but analysts might have argued that the country could not absorb more money at that time. The initial fiscal 2003 request, however, totaled just $151 million, with foreign military financing reduced to a laughable $1 million. Bill Taylor, who was coordinating assistance to Afghanistan for the State Department, was outraged. He made his views clear in an unclassified e-mail distributed widely throughout the government: "Our request for FY 03 is $151 million. This is not serious. ... FMF goes from $57 million to $1 million? On this we train the ANA [Afghan National Army] next year?. . . [the] FY 03 OHDACA [overseas humanitarian, disaster, and civic aid-a DOD program] request of $12 million had been reduced to $6 million ... can this be right? ... Zal [Khalilzad] is here and I just showed him the chart[listing the FY 03 request]. His response was the right one: `You're not serious.'"Source
Ireland is partly responsible.
Fratton Fred wrote: » The Irish government voted in favour of the Afghanistan action. Looks to me as though they are partly to blame for every isaf death over there, yet they don't want to send their own army in any meaningful numbers. Sound fair to you?
Nodin wrote: » There are people from Guatamala to Iraq who would disagree.
Japer wrote: » In Iraq there were none of them to be seen when the US / UK rolled in to Bagdad, without any casulties. No US or UK soldiers fell then, the only thing that fell were statues of Saddam, their leader who had previously invaded Kuwait years previously. You will never get 100% agreement on everything from everyone around the world. By respecting the Poppy appeal you are respecting fallen and wounded soldiers, sailors and airmen from many different wars, without necessarily supporting the wars themselves.
Japer wrote: » Most of the fallen and injured served in those foreign fields so that you and others can live in relative peace and prosperity.
gurramok wrote: » Thanks, explain how BA soldiers serving in NI secured Irish freedom?
Chuck Stone wrote: » I think I'll watch the film 'Bloody Sunday' that's starting on ITV3+1 now.
Japer wrote: » really? Thats the 510th time. No wonder you are indoctrinated. You need to move on / get a life.
You will never get 100% agreement on everything from everyone around the world. By respecting the Poppy appeal you are respecting fallen and wounded soldiers, sailors and airmen from many different wars
Interrogation under torture was widespread. Many of the men were anally raped, using knives, broken bottles, rifle barrels, snakes and scorpions. A favourite technique was to hold a man upside down, his head in a bucket of water, while sand was rammed into his rectum with a stick. Women were gang-raped by the guards. People were mauled by dogs and electrocuted. The British devised a special tool which they used for first crushing and then ripping off testicles. They used pliers to mutilate women's breasts. They cut off inmates' ears and fingers and gouged out their eyes. They dragged people behind Land Rovers until their bodies disintegrated. Men were rolled up in barbed wire and kicked around the compound.
The documents, released by Malaysian sources ahead of a judicial review related to the massacre, also reveal how a Metropolitan police investigation in 1970 into the allegations was "terminated" because an incoming Conservative government did not want the darker aspects of Britain's colonial past exposed. The plantation workers were shot in cold blood by a 16-man patrol of Scots Guards in December 1948. Many of the victims' bodies were found to have been mutilated and their village of Batang Kali was burned to the ground. No weapons were found when the village was searched during a military operation against Chinese communists in the post-second world war Malayan emergency.
Chuck Stone wrote: » I think I'll watch the film 'Bloody Sunday' that's starting on ITV3+1 now. Not that I need reminding of the massacre the murdering degenerates in the BA perpetrated against innocent civilians on the Streets of Derry that day. Brave men indeed.
Nodin wrote: » We weren't going to be invaded by Iraq blah blah blah
Lelantos wrote: » What time is the Omagh bombing film on at?
Japer wrote: » but you think it was ok to let Iraq invade and rape little Kuwait?
Chuck Stone wrote: » Regardless, nobody is out collecting money for the perpetrators of the Omagh Bomb
Chuck Stone wrote: » See: Whataboutery. Regardless, nobody is out collecting money for the perpetrators of the Omagh Bomb unlike how poppy proceeds have the chance of falling in the laps of BA murderers.
It seems far more likely that Saddam Hussein went ahead with the invasion because he believed the US would not react with anything more than verbal condemnation. That was an inference he could well have drawn from his meeting with US Ambassador April Glaspie on July 25, and from statements by State Department officials in Washington at the same time publicly disavowing any US security commitments to Kuwait, but also from the success of both the Reagan and the Bush administrations in heading off attempts by the US Senate to impose sanctions on Iraq for previous breaches of international law.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie
Japer wrote: » The difference is the Omagh bombers and PIRA are terrorist movements, and do / did not have the support of elected governments.
Japer wrote: » I was at a concert once + a bucket went around for the IRA / their supporters. The difference is the Omagh bombers and PIRA are terrorist movements, and do / did not have the support of elected governments. Extremist republicans actually murdered police + army in this (26 county ) state.
Lelantos wrote: » I wonder where all the sales of easter lilly's went over the years then?
Japer wrote: » Hundreds of thousands of Irish people have volunteered to serve with UK forces....from when back in the day we were part of the UK..... to WW2 to help save Europe from Nazism.... to the troubles when they helped prevent terrorism / helped support the police force + rule of the law . I'd prefer the freedom in these islands than to live under Nazism or under Stalin or his successors.
GRMA wrote: » Vast majority went to the NGA which looks after the graves and monuments of Irish patriots.
Lelantos wrote: » No, incorrect. The NGA is a supposed non party affiliated organisation, but it was run by IRA members, so that wasn't true. The vast majority of sales went to Sinn Féin & other organizations.
