dvpower wrote: » Where are you constructing this from? No point in this discussion if you can't accept that someone can support a property tax without necessarily supporting a particular party.
Ghandee wrote: » That's correct. It was only in labours manifesto. (though, theirs was site valued)
tayto lover wrote: » It is only a suggestion of why people might be prepared to change their own opinions to back the party opinion. But if they were indeed F.G. people then they could explain it better and more clearly why the party think that way.
K-9 wrote: » FG played politics with it, they said a property tax would be up to Councils, so I wouldn't say they were not for it, they just fudged the issue.
dvpower wrote: » And who here do you think is prepared to change their own opinions to back a party opinion? Can't you accept that people arguing for a property tax here are in favour of it on its own merits?
tayto lover wrote: » Exactly. They are still the same lying devils that change with the wind in order to catch a vote. But this crowd have not kept their promises either so it's like Zig & Zag in politics now.
K-9 wrote: » In fairness it was a dumb policy, how could you leave a property tax up to Councils? Some would have it, some wouldn't. It was obvious it was a dodge on the issue.
lugha wrote: » Perhaps the sense of grievance felt by those in the wake of broken election promises might be lessened if they weren’t so unbelievably gullible in the first place.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Fair prediction Gh, but what 'parties' will the coalition comprise of? THAT scares me big time!!
tayto lover wrote: » I'm not part of any campaign but I definitely would not support multiple property owners anyway. I would support people who are defending their own (sole) homes from this unjust and unfair tax.
dvpower wrote: » Tax evaders are now giving lectures on wastage. A bit rich.
Pal wrote: » I am pleased that spongers got prosecution letters today. About time.
donalg1 wrote: » Because they wanted to I suppose. Maybe they thought the term charge is better than the term tax, you would really be better asking them though.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » To distinguish it from the Property Tax that will supercede it? Who knows. But if you want to talk semantics why wasn't the Universal Social Charge not called the Universal Social Tax? Why isn't excise duty called excise tax? And why should the name of any tax make a blind bit of difference.
bgrizzley wrote: » why doesnt anyone want to be associated with Fine Gael?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » So instead you'd like to spend public money on building a database when most of the information could have been gathered much more cheaply?
Ghandee wrote: » As I've already asked, why don't they charge at census time, that database seems to Get created without a charge attached to it ok.
lugha wrote: » Fianna Fail DO favour a property tax. They are currently engaging in a bit of political opportunism, which lamentably, some of you are failing for.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » You do realise you can register without paying by the way?
dvpower wrote: » Just like the census, there was no charge to register for the HHC.
tayto lover wrote: » I don't get your point Dv. If you didn't vote for a party all you have to do is say that. Be honest about it. I voted for F.G. last G.E. to my shame now, so i'm admitting it. I am not a member of that or any other party though. Why can't everyone else tell the truth?
dvpower wrote: » This is a thread about the HHC / property tax. I wish people could stick to the topic.
lugha wrote: » Well let me bare my chest. :)I am in favour of a property tax because I can see a number of advantages it has over other taxes.
lugha wrote: » But giving that we have such a massive deficit it would seem only prudent that the government would seek to generate some revenue from it from the off, rather than postpone it for a year. And most of them know that there isn't a real alternative from any other potential government.
cosbloodymick wrote: » The one thing which this HHC/PT will do whether you agree with it or not is drive the final nail into the already depressed economy of this country. A lot of retail and hospitality businesses that are just clinging on for survival atm will finally go under. I anticipate an increase in unemployment, more emigration more mortgage defaults and tragically more relationship breakups and suicides.
bgrizzley wrote: » Cmon Vlad, since when did a Government ever look for the cheapest way to do anything? getting people to self register was just another laugh for the boys. this is the regard they have for you...http://www.donegaldaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/fingers.jpg[/QUOTE] They also have this regard for you, and for us all(ya dont mind me piggybacking, bgrizzley?). This is a small excerpt from Stephen Donnelly's blog from 22/10/2012. Being nice has not worked for us so far. In fact, it has come at a huge cost. I met the troika last Wednesday, along with other independent and ULA TDs. They told us that it was the Government who had insisted on paying the bondholders in the pillar banks. During the summer I analysed the cost per person of the bank bailouts in Europe. I found that we have paid several times more than anyone else. And for that, we have yet to secure a single thing. I'd take this guy's word over anyone in government.
