lugha wrote: » Again I say, this has nothing to do with the arguments for and against a property tax but I’ll indulge you and follow you in your off-topic foray So let’s think about the “incompetency” and ask what how they might have done things differently. I think the could have, and did, anticipate a lot of problems with compiling a valid register of property owners from existing sources. So a sensible course of action might have been to set about compiling anew, a register of property owners. And a way to do this would be to appeal to people’s honesty and invite them to voluntarily submit their name to the register. Which pretty much, was the purpose of the HHC. (Given the incessant complaining from the people about tax evasion and corruption and the like, they may have, naively, reasoned that only a tiny minority would have considered themselves above the law and not registered) And here and now, in a breath-taking display of hypocrisy, we have the very people who frustrated efforts to compile a register criticising because of problems that arose because of their law-breaking ways. (The worst part is, I think some of them don’t even see the hypocrisy) Once again, a “won’t payer” completely misses the point. But I see you’re on the sauce, so we will let that one go. This concludes the party political broadcast, posted by Lugha.
And a way to do this would be to appeal to people’s honesty and invite them to voluntarily submit their name to the register. Which pretty much, was the purpose of the HHC.
Ghandee wrote: » Hypocrisy? You're having a laugh (trolling) or both, right? First off, 'honesty' went right out the window when these hoods reneged on almost every promise they made (pay caps, bondholders, banks, transparency etc etc etc) before they were in office a wet week. Secondly, By appeal, you mean threaten? By invite, you mean, change numerous laws to suit them selves, then demand payment with constant reminders that not doing so, made folk Tax evader/criminal's who'd be fined and threatened with not being able to sell your house etc etc etc. By voluntary, you mean 'charged' a hundred euro, get that, they charge us, to set up their data base for them, to enable them to annually screw us with a property tax that they've refused to give us details about, so in essence we're expected to sign a contract that will charge us, an unknown amount each year, (and how much it could increase each year) how the charges will be calculated, and what it is you'll get for your moody. Lugha, do me a favour.
Ghandee wrote: » blah blah blah .....
lugha wrote: » So I was right! You genuinely cannot see the hypocrisy? I wonder will any of the rest of your gang spot it? (Are you on the drink as well? :pac:)
bgrizzley wrote: » can you see the the hypocrisy in your statement about the government appealing to our honesty? most of the protaxers here have admitted they are dishonest!!!!
zerks wrote: » Has anybody heard anything about the next batch of warning letters being delivered & the recipients having to sign for them just so the LA/Moneygrabbers know that you exist?
darkhorse wrote: » You people simply dont get it. Just for one minute, forget about all the arguements from both sides. Just think about it and think about how much the sheer incompetency is costing(the taxpayer again). I think we have already heard from a representitive amount of people, through one media or another, even the head of the LGMA has admitted that they have sent out quite a lot of reminder letters to people that have paid. So, with this in mind, imagine there had been a bigger percentage of people paying the HHC, say 99% for example, well, judging by all we have heard, either on chat shows, read in newspapers, or even heard from the horses mouth, about the volume of reminder letters, in some cases second and third letters, reminders letters were going to be sent to people that have paid anyway, bearing in mind also that maybe a high percentage of these people that have received them, maybe old and frail and some even suffering with major health problems(a person I know with a heart problem paid, but got a letter anyway saying penalties had accrued(imagine the stress), I think you all know where I am going with this, but still thousands of euro's would be wasted sending out letters to people, whether they had paid or not. I'm sorry, but I just dont think that any amount of money is worth worsening the already poor health of people. So, I am saying, if people cannot do the preparatory work that a project like collecting a HHC calls for(and getting a reasonable remuneration for said work, from public purse, btw), that said project should be scrapped. (Probably the drink talking, if so, I'll stop talking)
lugha wrote: » Again I say, this has nothing to do with the arguments for and against a property tax but I’ll indulge you and follow you in your off-topic foray
Ghandee wrote: » Bunch of self serving ****. Roll on 2013 that's when they'll fall!
Le_Dieux wrote: » GH, pardon my ignorance, but what's happening in 2013?
MAYO COUNTY COUNCIL has come under fire today after becoming the first local authority to issue court summonses over the non-payment of the household charge. According to the Irish Daily Star, a number of court dates have been set for the coming weeks.
Am Chile wrote: » Can you remember the title of the article so I can look it up.
Ghandee wrote: » Well, if we are to believe just how savage this budget in December is to be, 3.5 billion in cuts, with (so we're told) nobody will be left untouched, this will be bad enough, tax will be added to many vital commodities, and services will be cut, blah blah blah. The public well be upset enough, but in saying that, there may be some that would have been prepared to hold their tongue, and have been somewhat placid by saying we're in recession,v austerity, etc etc etc. But then, others will look towards the budget DE have to themselves yesterday. Not only did they not cut the budget, (leaving it unchanged should anger the public enough) but they went and granted them selves a further four million more than last year:eek: Now, if our auld flower Lugha wishes to discuss hypocrisy, he should focus on the clowns in govt. I think their might be serious ructions on the streets post budget, serious enough to possibly see a govt fall.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Surely we will be on the streets in early December this year Ghandee?
Le_Dieux wrote: » Am still awaiting the FIRST letter Zerks, while on the Joe Duffy show during the week, people who are DEAD 26 years got letters, and people connected with these deceased were then told to pay 15 quid for the 'privelidge' of having their names take off the list. UTTER MADNESS!!!
Hijpo wrote: » it was actually 25 quid lol
Le_Dieux wrote: » Thanks Hijpo...even more insulting to the bereaved.
darkhorse wrote: » I'm really sorry to have to follow it with bad news:- THERE HAS BEEN a rise in public support in Fine Gael, according to the results of a Red C poll to be published in tomorrow’s Sunday Business Post.
Le_Dieux wrote: » And on & on it goes, where it stops? Nobody knows! The cluelessness and ineptitude of EK knows no bounds:http://www.independent.ie/national-news/kenny-asks-shatter-to-meddle-in-family-case-3276736.html
Le_Dieux wrote: » Wow, all gone very quiet? Or all chelsea supporter's?:-)))
mikom wrote: » Vested interest public sector workers not at their work pc's today............
