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Brian Lenihan's official letter asking for our bailout has been released.

Ghandee

The official letter has now been released, funnily enough just as support for FF is once again on the rise.

This, from the BBC news on 15th of Nov 2010

Irsh ministers have sought to reassure the EU they will not be looking for a bail-out to help them deal with the country's deficit.

They said they were in constant contact with Brussels about the economic situation, which has lead Dublin to commit to 6bn euros of spending cuts in the next year alone.

Note the date on the letter.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11762359

More letters to be released 'shortly' apparently.

Interesting.......

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davet82

Please sir, could I have some more...

smash

Bit of a boring letter.

GalwayGuy2

Hmm, the sentence before yours Faithfully is the big un.

vicwatson

This letter tells us nothing we didn't already know.

paddydriver

Thank god they printed it on recycled paper... every penny counts!

Ghandee

I personally never thought it would get released.

I wonder what the rest will contain?

jester77

No BS, straight to the point. Nothing wrong with that.

smash

Ghandee wrote: »

I personally never thought it would get released.

I wonder what the rest will contain?

more groveling

dj jarvis

what we really want is the letter from the ECB, basically telling us we had no choice , that if we did not ask for help the banking system in Europe would collapse

they called our bluff - they knew full well that we were singled out as Europe whipping boys , i would wager that we released these letters in a hope that the ECB would release the "demand" letter sent by jean "crunt " junkers

if it is shown publicly , then the EU will HAVE NO CHOICE but to cut the rates being charged for the bail out, they will look REALLY bad if they dont

so the EU is one big family ? well if this is how the other members of the " family " treat you, then we should get a divorce

squod

dj jarvis wrote: »

what we really want is the letter from the ECB, basically telling us we had no choice , that if we did not ask for help the banking system in Europe would collapse

Might effect the outcome of the inquiries into the Anglo bail-out fraud

dj jarvis

squod wrote: »

Might effect the outcome of the inquiries into the Anglo bail-out fraud

good point , but not sure ,

was the bail out for the banks not asked for before the full extent of anglos losses were revealed ?
no question of criminal proceedings were muted then, but i stand open to correction on that

squod

dj jarvis wrote: »

was the bail out for the banks not asked for before the full extent of anglos losses were revealed ?

Revealed to who? Me and every dog on the street or people in Europe? Think everyone in this country knew what bailing (or guaranteeing) Anglo meant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXi-F6vZ-Q

Stinicker

They talk of Dermot MacMurrough but this man, Bertie Ahern and the entire Fianna Fail cabinet will long be remembered as the greatest traitors ever in Irish history.

I shed no tear the day lendahand died and quite frankly the smell of karma was quite refreshing that day.

Ghandee

Stinicker wrote: »

They talk of Dermot MacMurrough but this man, Bertie Ahern and the entire Fianna Fail cabinet will long be remembered as the greatest traitors ever in Irish history.

I shed no tear the day lendahand died and quite frankly the smell of karma was quite refreshing that day.

Jesus!

I wouldn't go that far.

squod

Got to agree Stinicker. I'm not glad to see anyone pass TBH. Human life is precious. But the fact is that many people should be behind bars today. PS workers, bankers, politicians, anyone involved really.

dj jarvis

squod wrote: »

Revealed to who? Me and every dog on the street or people in Europe? Think everyone in this country knew what bailing (or guaranteeing) Anglo meant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVXi-F6vZ-Q

my point was that no one knew for sure that anything criminal was done , massive losses yes , but the story that came out later ? i doubt even our feckless government knew about the golden circle , or the loans to quinn , and if they did know about it then surely they are as culpable

and in fairness the EU did not give 2 sh1ts about us , it was the domino effect on the German and french lenders they were focused on , it has been said by many politicians and jurnos that a gun was put to our head , and this letter from jean junkers is supposed to be damming for the ECB board and the EU

Stinicker

squod wrote: »

Got to agree Stinicker. I'm not glad to see anyone pass TBH. Human life is precious. But the fact is that many people should be behind bars today. PS workers, bankers, politicians, anyone involved really.

I hate to see people go also but the scale of suffering inflicted by this man and his actions to me saw his quick demise as pure karma. Hundreds of young people have committed suicide the last few years due to the dire state of the country. Their blood is on the hands of Fianna Fail and Lenihan's actions that fateful day and night (of the banking guarantee).

krudler

" Go on go on go on go on..."

dj jarvis

Stinicker wrote: »

I hate to see people go also but the scale of suffering inflicted by this man and his actions to me saw his quick demise as pure karma. Hundreds of young people have committed suicide the last few years due to the dire state of the country. Their blood is on the hands of Fianna Fail and Lenihan's actions that fateful day and night (of the banking guarantee).

not just his actions in fairness , dont forget c mc creavey, and brian cowen done a load of damage long before he took the ministry

the seeds for this disaster were sown in the late 80's - not one man

KERSPLAT!

@Stinicker The man deserved to die? Are you for ****in real?

squod

dj jarvis wrote: »

my point was that no one knew for sure that anything criminal was done , massive losses yes , but the story that came out later ? i doubt even our feckless government knew about the golden circle , or the loans to quinn , and if they did know about it then surely they are as culpable

and in fairness the EU did not give 2 sh1ts about us , it was the domino effect on the German and french lenders they were focused on , it has been said by many politicians and jurnos that a gun was put to our head , and this letter from jean junkers is supposed to be damming for the ECB board and the EU

You'd have to ask why they did it. Why Joan Burton was told to f'off when she said the very idea of bailing Anglo was madness. I followed the story very closely in the lead up to, during and after the treason of Sept 2008.

Like that bloke in the video said. It was done unilaterally, in the dead of night, without consulting Europe .

Zebra3

Unless the OP is part of the elite the thread title is wrong.

It was not "our bailout".

dj jarvis

squod wrote: »

You'd have to ask why they did it. Why Joan Burton was told to f'off when she said the very idea of bailing Anglo was madness. I followed the story very closely in the lead up to, during and after the treason of Sept 2008.

Like that bloke in the video said. It was done unilaterally, in the dead of night, without consulting Europe .

but do you think the ECB and EU knew about the extent of criminal proceedings at anglo when the " offered " the cash ?
and how it was offered ? , no, anglo TOLD the government they were about to go tits up and take the house of cards down with it
i do not believe that anglo told ANYONE of all the dealings , i think the blanket guarantee would not gone ahead , instead a guarantee for BOI and AIB but not anglo , they could have let it go

but as we all know , they went and sold us ALL down the river

View

dj jarvis wrote: »

what we really want is the letter from the ECB, basically telling us we had no choice , that if we did not ask for help the banking system in Europe would collapse

You'll probably find the ECB's letter was along the lines of:

"Your budgetary math is very interesting but doesn't appear to add up. Could you therefore please explain where all the "missing money" to fund this is going to come from?"

At which point the DoF spotted the mistake in their math and went "Oh crap" and the rest is history.

Fishooks12

Some really disgusting people saying disgusting things they would probably never say in real life here, well two anyway.

Zebra3

IPAM wrote: »

@Stinicker The man deserved to die? Are you for ****in real?

He was a bigger criminal than any of the drug dealing scumbags and armed robbers who populate this country.

His betrayal of the Irish people will cause far more damage than any of the other degenerates.

But he wore a suit and not a woolly face so that's all right then, yeah? :rolleyes:

squod

dj jarvis wrote: »

but do you think the ECB and EU knew about the extent .....

I think the ECB knew. I doubt that the government of the day would let Europe know. They didn't even tell us

Ghandee

Zebra3 wrote: »

Unless the OP is part of the elite the thread title is wrong.

It was not "our bailout".

Oops

Silly error on my part! Well spotted zebra.

dj jarvis

sure what is done is done

the focus of our Muppet Government is to get the rates lowered, and the term length into 40 plus years , best of a bad deal , becasue anyone that thinks we are going to get a right off is deluded.

we , and our children and even our grand children will be paying for this for a long time

as much as i want to see people jailed - it WILL NOT change the above

KERSPLAT!

Zebra3 wrote: »

He was a bigger criminal than any of the drug dealing scumbags and armed robbers who populate this country.

His betrayal of the Irish people will cause far more damage than any of the other degenerates.

But he wore a suit and not a woolly face so that's all right then, yeah? :rolleyes:

Breaking out the rolleyes already... Well played sir

I didn't say anything was alright, what I'm saying is he didn't deserve to die for his actions