Maggie 2 wrote: » After the first couple of court cases, when people see how much will be stopped out of their wages/social welfare, they will soon cop on and pay up, so it won't take long to process the few that will be left.
Slick50 wrote: » Basically I was saying if you give people exemptions because of inability to pay, you undermine the arguement that it is a more stable tax. Which is apparently the great advantage of this tax.
Slick50 wrote: » Well according to your previous argument, the guy paying the massive mortgage is saving himself a fortune.
Slick50 wrote: » The property tax will be charged irrelevant of a mortgage too.
Slick50 wrote: » A three tier tax system has been tried and tested, and seen us through the previous recession.... to the tiger years. Why should we not revert to that?
Slick50 wrote: » The main reason these two examples worked so well, and so quickly accepted,(in stark contrast to this) is they were both great ideas. (There was practically one hundred percent compliance with the smoking ban over night.)
dvpower wrote: » An attachment is made against your bank account. Or maybe whatever happens to self employed people who are caught evading their other taxes.
lugha wrote: » But are two thirds of the population prepared to defy the courts, if it comes to it? Clearly not as a majority have already paid the HHC and I would say most that have not will do so when the face the threat of fines.
lugha wrote: » And I would guess that many of those people are also welfare recipients and thus would also be immune form income tax. So explain to me again why income tax is fair?
darkhorse wrote: » I have no truck with that, as I never have any more than 3, maybe 4 Euros in my bank a/c going into the following week. Glad I have that sorted, as it was a worry.
darkhorse wrote: » Ya still dont get it, lugha, even apart from the people that wont pay out of principle, there are hundreds of thousands of people in the country that just dont have it to pay. There are people out there on a wide scale that are just trying to feed their kids. What they gonna, put an attachment order on food. I cancelled watching a good film for this debate, which, by any stretch of the imagination, is, at best, repetitive (luckily, my son bought me a bottle of bacardi, therefore making my posts look more sensible with every glass I take).
Hijpo wrote: » Perfectly, you want to take the moral high ground by paying but you only want to pay the smallest amount possible. But surely the number of people working far out weighs the number of houses liable. So income tax may only need to be incremented a small bit as there are much larger numbers contributing, while property tax may need to be €2000 if a large number of houses are exempt.
donalg1 wrote: » And what exactly is wrong with trying to pay the smallest amount possible it makes the most economic sense to me, thats why I paid before March 31st I have paid the HHC and paid the smallest amount. And personally if you gave me the choice between a raise in income tax or a property tax I would choose the property tax. And I would imagine there will be far less exempt houses with the property tax, as some estates in my county are exempt for no apparent reason ones that are in perfect condition so I am guessing they will be taken off the list of waivers.
Hijpo wrote: » I wouldnt be to sure, there will have to be a loophole of some kind
Ghandee wrote: » Hogan has said their will be exemptions for 18,000 or so in mortgage difficulties etc. Poor fella, he still hasn't twigged that nearly 700,000 have already given themselves 'exemptions' :pac:
lugha wrote: » So you swilling Bacardi, enjoying your broadband and entertaining yourself with a movie (Sky?). And in the middle of all of this you tell us you don't have the money? :pac: I kid. But when many people say they don't have the money what the mean is that they don't want to compromise on their creature comforts, which is understandable enough. And it is you lads who just don't get it. We simply have to address our deficit. If we refuse to, our lenders of last resort will stop lending to us and we will have to make a 13 billion rather than a 3 billion adjustment in the December budget. What we must decide is, who pays and how much? (The answer to these questions IMO, is all of us, and an awful lot )
Ghandee wrote: » Hogan has said their will be exemptions for 18,000 or so in mortgage difficulties etc.
Mr Hogan said he had given them an exemption from the €100 household charge this year and would be taking them into account for the property tax. It was "not easy" for families who could not pay their mortgages, he said.
Ghandee wrote: » Poor fella, he still hasn't twigged that nearly 700,000 have already given themselves 'exemptions' :pac:
Hijpo wrote: » breaking newshttp://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2012/10/22/government-send-traveller-carpet-salesman-to-renegotiate-bail-out-deal/?t=Government+Send+Traveller+Carpet+Salesman+to+%E2%80%98Renegotiate%E2%80%99+Bail+Out+Deal
Ghandee wrote: » Maggie, will you please clarify for me, are you against the BS happening in govt, and politicians taking our money to fund their own lavish lifestyles and perks.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81380480&postcount=268 Or are you in favour of supporting their cronyism as per your post above ^^ You're seriously mixed up it would seem.;)
dvpower wrote: » That's no problem at all. The attachment order will activate when money goes into your account, not after it leaves.
darkhorse wrote: » Be that as it may, when a judge views my statement of incomings v outgoings, I imagine that he will make a decision as to what utility bill will have to go unpaid, in order to have the property tax paid, and I'm sure the same will apply to a whole lot of people in the same situation, thereby taking the decision out of my and others hands.
dvpower wrote: » You need a judge to organise your household budget? Man up.
Ghandee wrote: » You didnt address my other points either, the fact that TD's are currently in receipt of €1billion per year collectively for 'allowances' this is after they've been paid their very, very decent salaries.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » TD's aren't in receipt of €1 billion a year in allowances.
bgrizzley wrote: » You need a judge to collect your taxes? Fail
Ghandee wrote: » All of the above 'laws' have generally been accepted by the public though, hence the compliance of the public. The last we had heard, 600-700,000 have rejected this sham (though I reckon its a lot more) Did 600-700,000 reject the introduction of penalty points/clamping etc?
darkhorse wrote: » I cancelled watching a good film for this debate, which, by any stretch of the imagination, is, at best, repetitive (luckily, my son bought me a bottle of bacardi, therefore making my posts look more sensible with every glass I take).
lugha wrote: » So you swilling Bacardi, enjoying your broadband and entertaining yourself with a movie (Sky?).
Hijpo wrote: » breaking newshttp://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2012/10/22/government-send-traveller-carpet-salesman-to-renegotiate-bail-out-deal/?t=Government+Send+Traveller+Carpet+Salesman+to+%E2%80%98Renegotiate%E2%80%99+Bail+Out+Deal[/QUOTE] This is classic. I hav'nt laughed this much in ages.:D:D:D
Ghandee wrote: » Just to be clear. Afaik, employers/govt cannot deduct any non-related to income (prsi, income tax, USC) etc from your salary/wage without your consent. To deduct any monies from your income (not related to your gross income) requires either your consent, or a court order, ordering a deduction at source.
dvpower wrote: » You need a judge to organise your household budget?
View wrote: » Or it requires the next Finance Act (which will be due to implement the budget) to say something to the effect: 1) Employers will deduct a Household Charge from the salaries of all their employees. Such a charge will be €250. 2) A Household Charge Tax Credit will apply to all employees where Revenue is satisfied that: a) they have paid their charge to their local authority or b) were not liable to pay it. That might be a pain for Revenue to process but most people will choose at that point to pay their local authority that €100 rather than pay Revenue that extra €250.
