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Facebook hate pages why???

lukesmom

Wondering why people make these. What do they get out of it only attention. Have been asked to report a hate page set up a few weeks ago and when I clicked on it there were over 3,000 'likes' for it. Don't know if I'm allowed post the link but maybe the more that report it might help to remove it. Its absolutely disgusting. Facebook are at the moment refusing to remove it even though the police have asked them to. I hope they track down whoever created it.

http://www.facebook.com/JillMeagherHQ?ref=ts&fref=ts

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keith16

Someone jailed for Facebook trolling, outrage on AH.

Someone not jailed for Facebook trolling, outrage on AH.

Abi

mahamageehad wrote: »

Basically just someone looking to get a reaction any way he/she can or someone who feels hatred to her and is trying to get it out there? Also over 3,200 likes???! What the actual fück!

It's a sick world we live in. Some people are just fücking damaged.

Eve_Dublin

This page is not funny. This kind of humour is not funny. People boasting about how no kind of humour is off limits to them are usually unfunny dickheads themselves. I reported the page. I don't believe the person should be jailed but the page should be taken down. Not because it's illegal but because the family of Jill Meaghar might see it and it's making a joke out of their daughter who has just been raped and murdered.

Tombi!

They want attention and they got it.
It's not against Facebook's rules.
If it bothers you that much, then close your account so you don't need to view it again if you're incapable of actively ignoring it.

Look, bottom line: it's fine for Facebook, it's to get attention and it works.
Yes it's horrible, disgusting, vile and so on but ignore it because it won't be going anywhere.

Eve_Dublin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

They want attention and they got it.
It's not against Facebook's rules.
If it bothers you that much, then close your account so you don't need to view it again if you're incapable of actively ignoring it.

Look, bottom line: it's fine for Facebook, it's to get attention and it works.
Yes it's horrible, disgusting, vile and so on but ignore it because it won't be going anywhere.

People looked at the page because the OP posted it. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Now that I've seen it, I'll try and do something about it before a member of her family sees it, for example. And no, I'm not going to close down my account ffs. :rolleyes:

Edit: How do you feel about reporting offensive posts on Boards? Or should we just ignore them too?

Tombi!

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

People looked at the page because the OP posted it. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Now that I've seen it, I'll try and do something about it before a member of her family sees it, for example. And no, I'm not going to close down my account ffs. :rolleyes:

Edit: How do you feel about reporting offensive posts on Boards? Or should we just ignore them too?

Okay so you know it exists and it's not going anywhere because stuff like this always exists on Facebook and they're fine with it. So once you know that, there's nothing you can do other than ignore and else close your account if you disagree with the site allowing it.
And no, offensive stuff on boards isn't generally allowed.

Grayson

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The guy who wrote about April Jones wrote on his own Facebook page and also made the comments public for everyone to see. The creators of the page you have linked use fake emails for fake Facebook accounts, and I'm sure they also use proxy servers as well to have the 'courage' to put a page as sick as that up. Which would make them almost untraceable, how do you bring an anonymous Internet user before a court?

You sure of that? It could also be that unlike the UK we don't have mobs of people gathering outside peoples houses and politicians who are eager for cheap soundbites.

I think that the kneejerk reactions that happen in the UK couldn't happen here. As much as I dislike our politicians and have many issues with the country, I am very grateful it's not the UK.

Eve_Dublin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Okay so you know it exists and it's not going anywhere because stuff like this always exists on Facebook and they're fine with it. So once you know that, there's nothing you can do other than ignore and else close your account if you disagree with the site allowing it.
And no, offensive stuff on boards isn't generally allowed.

Facebook have rules against it also and they've got a report function....so I reported it. Have a read of their terms and conditions there..

https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

I'm not looking for the person to be imprisoned or caught, I just reported it and would like to see it taken down a family member of Jill sees it. Really can't see the problem here. Agree to disagree.

Tombi!

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Facebook have rules against it also and they've got a report function....so I reported it. Have a read of their terms and conditions there..

https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms

I'm not looking for the person to be imprisoned or caught, I just reported it and would like to see it taken down a family member of Jill sees it. Really can't see the problem here.

All I'm saying it there lots and lots of pages like this were are considered fine by Facebook's standards so reporting it is sort of like asking the police to put someone in jail because they made an offensive joke in an area you can choose not to go. You can report it 24/7 and it won't make a difference.

Grayson

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Edit: How do you feel about reporting offensive posts on Boards? Or should we just ignore them too?

Boards has strick rules and can't really afford lawsuits.

Think of boards more like a members club. If you don't like the rules, feck off.

Facebook is more open because it's actively trying to cater to every audience.

As for the page that was linked to. The humour is pretty bad. By bad i mean, just not funny. It's not even the subject matter. It's just dumb.

Irish Guitarist

People often trot out the line "humour is subjective". This type of thing isn't 'humour' though. It's there purely for shock value and attention seeking.

And I do think people like this should be punished. I don't necessarily mean with a custodial sentence, but the families of the victims should sue them. If a magazine or newspaper published something similar they would most likely be taken to court and sued for libel, so why doesn't the same thing happen when it's on the internet?

Eve_Dublin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

All I'm saying it there lots and lots of pages like this were are considered fine by Facebook's standards so reporting it is sort of like asking the police to put someone in jail because they made an offensive joke in an area you can choose not to go. You can report it 24/7 and it won't make a difference.

It's the same as asking the police to jail someone? Ehhh. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.Not seeing the similarity. I didn't agree with the jailing of that fella who made a joke about April but this page is a different kettle of fish.

It's nothing to do with me not seeing it. I'm not sitting here offended by it as I didn't know Jill and I'm fairly desensitised by most stuff at this stage in my life. I simply wouldn't like a family member or friend to see it considering it only happened a few weeks ago.

I can imagine it would devastate them. I give money to Amnesty International not because I personally was wrongly imprisoned on Death Row but because I hope it'd go some way to help someone who is. I don't get this "turn a blind eye" stuff. If you ignore something, it doesn't just go away. Surely you should try and do something if your attention has been drawn to something you feel is not right...particularly if it's only a matter of pressing the report button.

Scruffles

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The guy who wrote about April Jones wrote on his own Facebook page and also made the comments public for everyone to see. The creators of the page you have linked use fake emails for fake Facebook accounts, and I'm sure they also use proxy servers as well to have the 'courage' to put a page as sick as that up. Which would make them almost untraceable, how do you bring an anonymous Internet user before a court?

facebook now [actualy since last year at least] requires people to register with a mobile phone number-it sends a text to the number so the code can be entered on FB which means they had to of used a existing and traceable number.

it has gotten to the point where people think they really can get away with anything on the internet,just like kids who have never been shown boundaries and consequence they eventualy realise they can get away with anything and start upping their game.
the UK has been cracking down on cyber crimes for some time now and itd do all countries well to start putting proper boundaries in place so people know they are not invincible.

was reading some comments on that page from someone who has reported it to the people she worked for so it shoud in a round about way get seen by police.
people who do hate pages like that shoud be made to do community service with charities relateable to who they have targeted [such as a support charity for families of murdered people if they have targeted someone murdered] to give them an understanding of how bringing their disrespectful humour to mainstream public communities such as facebook affects other people.

due to the anonymity of the internet,many people have disabled their basic respect of manners,other people and how they speak to them,they think it makes them look brutaly honest and promoting their right to freedom of speech but speaking with total honesty isnt about being knowingly rude or offensive,thats called being a disrespectful jerk and just as people may have freedom of speech that freedom has consequences.

Tombi!

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

It's the same as asking the police to jail someone? Ehhh. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.Not seeing the similarity. I didn't agree with the jailing of that fella who made a joke about April but this page is a different kettle of fish.

It's nothing to do with me not seeing it. I'm not sitting here offended by it as I didn't know Jill and I'm fairly desensitised by most stuff at this stage in my life. I simply wouldn't like a family member or friend to see it considering it only happened a few weeks ago.

I can imagine it would devastate them. I give money to Amnesty International not because I personally was wrongly imprisoned on Death Row but because I hope it'd go some way to help someone who is. I don't get this "turn a blind eye" stuff. If you ignore something, it doesn't just go away. Surely you should try and do something if your attention has been drawn to something you feel is not right...particularly if it's only a matter of pressing the report button.

Same thing really. Facebook allows it so yes, it's the same as asking the police to put someone in jail when they haven't done anything wrong.
I do something, I ignore it and let idiots be idiots.

You clearly know what a troll is (I hope anyway), that's what the creator of the page is and you're giving them a sign they won by giving them attention.
Every report because of it means they just get more reason to continue.

Scruffles wrote: »

facebook now [actualy since last year at least] requires people to register with a mobile phone number-it sends a text to the number so the code can be entered on FB which means they had to of used a existing and traceable number.

Not true; it's just an anti-spam measure as far as I know. If you wait long enough/use a proxy/etc then it won't happen.
Not to mention you can get a 10 euro sim card nowadays anyhow.

Grayson

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

People often trot out the line "humour is subjective". This type of thing isn't 'humour' though. It's there purely for shock value and attention seeking.

And I do think people like this should be punished. I don't necessarily mean with a custodial sentence, but the families of the victims should sue them. If a magazine or newspaper published something similar they would most likely be taken to court and sued for libel, so why doesn't the same thing happen when it's on the internet?

Humour is subjective. Once you start attempting to regulate humour you're entering thought police territory.

If they aren't attempting to be funny but just offensive, that too can be considered funny. Trying to evoke a reaction in people can sometimes be considered funny. There are very few people that wouldn't think mary Whitehouse being outraged at Tom & Jerry isn't funny.

And what would they person be sued for? Causing emotional distress? It only counts if they actually went and posted it on a reletive/friends wall. If I tell someone a bad joke about a murder and 15 people later it ends up with the victims friend, the last person who told the joke is to blame. Not me. I made a joke, but I never actually sought out the victims friend. i did not intentionally cause distress to them. the person who told them did that.

And it can't be defamation. In most jurisdictions defamation only covers living people. You cannot defame a dead person.

As sad as i think most of these pages ae, unless they deliberately target friends or relatives of the victims, I don't think anything should be done.

alchemist33

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

People often trot out the line "humour is subjective". This type of thing isn't 'humour' though. It's there purely for shock value and attention seeking.

And I do think people like this should be punished. I don't necessarily mean with a custodial sentence, but the families of the victims should sue them. If a magazine or newspaper published something similar they would most likely be taken to court and sued for libel, so why doesn't the same thing happen when it's on the internet?

Exactly. A lot of people seem to have been taken in. Just because the page has "funny" in the title doesn't mean it's actually humour, or an attempt at it. It's meant to anger people and that's exactly what it's done.

As for what should be done, if somebody stood up in a pub and said it would be funny for one of the female customers to be raped and killed, ignoring him and shaking your head wouldn't really be the appropriate response, would it? It's incitement, and whoever did it is probably a risk to women.

PC CDROM

In my perfect world facebook would be closed down because of that. Or just closed down.

lukesmom

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

They want attention and they got it.
It's not against Facebook's rules.
If it bothers you that much, then close your account so you don't need to view it again if you're incapable of actively ignoring it.

Look, bottom line: it's fine for Facebook, it's to get attention and it works.
Yes it's horrible, disgusting, vile and so on but ignore it because it won't be going anywhere.

People looked at the page because the OP posted it. I wouldn't have seen it otherwise. Now that I've seen it, I'll try and do something about it before a member of her family sees it, for example. And no, I'm not going to close down my account ffs. :rolleyes:

Edit: How do you feel about reporting offensive posts on Boards? Or should we just ignore them too?

FOR those who are asking why Ive posted it on here even though it offends me, read the above statement! Eve_Dublin has explained my reasoning better than I could

Tombi!

lukesmom wrote: »

FOR those who are asking why Ive posted it on here even though it offends me, read the above statement! Eve_Dublin has explained my reasoning better than I could

Yes but you're missing the point. Facebook allow it. You can't "do" anything about it.

NegativeCreep

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

This page is not funny. This kind of humour is not funny. People boasting about how no kind of humour is off limits to them are usually unfunny dickheads themselves. I reported the page. I don't believe the person should be jailed but the page should be taken down. Not because it's illegal but because the family of Jill Meaghar might see it and it's making a joke out of their daughter who has just been raped and murdered.

If they see it, in fairness, it would be their own stupidity. One look at the title would suggest it contains content they won't wanna see.
Same goes for everyone else.

Roisy7

I had cause to report someone for abuse recently on Facebook and was disappointed, yet not surprised, at their shoddy and inefficient response.

Look the chief of Melbourne's police literally had to beg Facebook to shut down hate pages about Adrian Bayley, they simply don't give a **** tbh. So until they start giving a ****, pathetic trolls like the ones who created that page (I didn't look at the page and I really don't want to) will continue posting unfunny crap like that.

There's a massive difference between black humour and being an out-and-out dick.

[Deleted User]

Maybe I've watched too many "hacker" films but are there not people out there capable of tracing this scumbag's IP address and posting their information on the internet and then see if the troll still finds all this so humorous?

It's all good and well saying that this person is entitled to their particular type of humor but we are equally entitled to believe that someone who would create a page like this in the wake of such an awful tragedy deserves some sort of consequences to befall him/her.

Eve_Dublin

NegativeCreep wrote: »

If they see it, in fairness, it would be their own stupidity. One look at the title would suggest it contains content they won't wanna see.
Same goes for everyone else.

The title is enough to cause a lot of hurt and is probably the most offensive part of it.

Roisy7

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Maybe I've watched too many "hacker" films but are there not people out there capable of tracing this scumbag's IP address and posting their information on the internet and then see if the troll still finds all this so humorous?

It's all good and well saying that this person is entitled to their particular type of humor but we are equally entitled to believe that someone who would create a page like this in the wake of such an awful tragedy deserves some sort of consequences to befall him/her.

I think someone did this recently with one of "dead baby" joke pages. They made a meme of raping a dead baby and they were outed and basically called a kiddie-fiddler. Not too hot on the details but your man totally shot himself in the foot by using his real name. Some of these lads aren't too bright :rolleyes:

Eve_Dublin

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Yes but you're missing the point. Facebook allow it. You can't "do" anything about it.

OKay fair enough. I see what you're saying. Obviously they're aware of it's existence there in the Facebook headquarters and have decided not to take action. I'm not feigning innocence here but I genuinely wasn't aware that these types of pages were allowed. I tend not to venture beyond my own page and those of friends and family. This does actually raise an interesting question about Facebook and it's purpose (profit obviously) and genuinely has made me think can I remain a member of it if this is what it allows.

Tombi!

Roisy7 wrote: »

I think someone did this recently with one of "dead baby" joke pages. They made a meme of raping a dead baby and they were outed and basically called a kiddie-fiddler. Not too hot on the details but your man totally shot himself in the foot by using his real name. Some of these lads aren't too bright :rolleyes:

You mean your man that got ratted out because the person that did through a hissy fit that they didn't get what they wanted?
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80109381&postcount=40

That was my feelings on it and it still stands.

Eve_Dublin wrote: »

OKay fair enough. I see what you're saying. Obviously they're aware of it's existence there in the Facebook headquarters and have decided not to take action. I'm not feigning innocence here but I genuinely wasn't aware that these types of pages were allowed. I tend not to venture beyond my own page and those of friends and family. This does actually raise an interesting question about Facebook and it's purpose (profit obviously) and genuinely has made me think can I remain a member of it if this is what it allows.

Alright then, sorry about that. I thought you actually did know that pages like that are "allowed". Far as I know unless it's direct abuse towards someone on the site, it won't be removed. I think it actually needs to be reported by said person. So if I said Eve is a cow, unless you reported it (or I tagged you) then I think it would be allowed stay. Again, not too sure with that one but I do know there are bunches of pages that Facebook allow to stay.

Of course you can stay a member; think of it like this "there are thousands on there, some are utter and complete attention seeking idiots so ignore them and you'll be grand".

Neewbie_noob

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I laughed at one thing on that page. The rest was just bad. Not because of the subject matter, just because the jokes were shit. If it offends you, don't look at it.

How can you laugh at anything on that page ? :mad:

Poor girl, I pity her poor mother, sister, brother, husband, father etc. seeing that and knowing that Facebook don't have the decency or respect to take it down. Can they not just think for a second and have some ****ing respect for a fellow human being and their families' emotions for once instead of trying to get people onto their sick page just for the sake of numbers.

Facebook can go to ****ing hell. I've lost so much respect for them.

Sorry for the rant and the bad language mods

Grayson

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I laughed at one thing on that page. The rest was just bad. Not because of the subject matter, just because the jokes were shit. If it offends you, don't look at it.

i think I laughed at the same one.

NegativeCreep

Neewbie_noob wrote: »

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I laughed at one thing on that page. The rest was just bad. Not because of the subject matter, just because the jokes were sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t. If it offends you, don't look at it.

How can you laugh at anything on that page ? :mad:

Poor girl, I pity her poor mother, sister, brother, husband, father etc. seeing that and knowing that Facebook don't have the decency or respect to take it down. Can they not just think for a second and have some ****ing respect for a fellow human being and their families' emotions for once instead of trying to get people onto their sick page just for the sake of numbers.

Facebook can go to ****ing hell. I've lost so much respect for them.

Sorry for the rant and the bad language mods

It was one of those things where I knew I wasn't supposed to laugh which made it impossible not to laugh. It wasn't even funny.

NegativeCreep

Grayson wrote: »

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I laughed at one thing on that page. The rest was just bad. Not because of the subject matter, just because the jokes were sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t. If it offends you, don't look at it.

i think I laughed at the same one.

The jack and Jill one.