corny wrote: » I know people think this is the beginning of a new dawn but these people are broken behind repair. Nothing will change bar the evolution of disguise.
martingriff wrote: » I am not disbutting that however if you would like to read the resst of my post as to why I was thinking it. It would be good
corny wrote: » Just heard Alex Dowsett and Steve Cummings on Sky Sports news. If anyone gets a chance watch it.:( Dowsett thinks 'he's a legend', and the doping 'doesn't matter'. Cummings thinks that his charity basically means we should forgive him. I know people think this is the beginning of a new dawn but these people are broken behind repair. Nothing will change bar the evolution of disguise.
paddy no 11 wrote: » Where would cycling be without him and Walsh?
paddy no 11 wrote: » Thats depressing, Kimmage needs to topple the UCI. The trial in switzerland cant come quick enough to save cycling.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » There are numerous redacted names in the affidavits, e.g Rider 1, Rider 2 etc. I'm assuming these are non-US riders who don't fall under USADA jurisdiction. What is to be done about these people? Are their names and testimony related to them going to be forwarded to relevant national associations?
In the witness affidavits provided in Appendix A names of individuals who have not yet been charged with doping have been redacted. USADA’s investigation into doping in cycling continues and evidence of doping obtained by USADA and involving individuals who have not already been charged will be handled in accordance with the rules.
banchang wrote: » iregk wrote: » You know what sickens me in all of this Lance thing going back through the years and still today. The use of cancer. As Paul Kimmage siad, he doesn't have a patent on cancer. Now I'm on record a number of times in this forum outlining my feelings on LA, to me he is the biggest fraud that sport has ever seen. But it's the use of cancer that really gets to me. Ok he suffered with it and yes he survived and regardless of who he is and what he did I will always be happy that he did that. I have friends and family who have gone through the same faith and it's one of my worst experiences in life to see a friend and a family member going through chemotherapy. So I've been directly touched by the disease and love to hear of stories of anyone who has survived it. What really annoys me is anytime anyone says anything remotely negative about him both him and his supporters, some on this forum, roll out the cancer defense straight away. Using it nonchalantly as if it absolves the man of anything and offers him the up most virtue. Lance is it true you took drugs? You must love cancer, I beat that desease man! Seriously can those defending him on here, and I've no problem with that each is entitled to their own opinion, but just please leave the cancer out of it. Yes we know about it, we know what he went through but trying to defend the man for what he did based on playing the cancer card is sick, pathetic and down right shameful both on your part and his part. There I've said my peace and will stay out of the remainder of this discussion. Those defending him don't in general make that argument, but rather advocate that whatever about cycling cheating, the Livestrong Foundation has raised more than USD470m, providing financial resources 550+ organizations that conduct cancer survivorship research or offer services to people affected by cancer, & 81c of every dollar raised has gone directly to support programs and services for survivors. Can't stand drug cheating & he was rightly exposed, but this particular 'cancer card' is undeniably positive.
iregk wrote: » You know what sickens me in all of this Lance thing going back through the years and still today. The use of cancer. As Paul Kimmage siad, he doesn't have a patent on cancer. Now I'm on record a number of times in this forum outlining my feelings on LA, to me he is the biggest fraud that sport has ever seen. But it's the use of cancer that really gets to me. Ok he suffered with it and yes he survived and regardless of who he is and what he did I will always be happy that he did that. I have friends and family who have gone through the same faith and it's one of my worst experiences in life to see a friend and a family member going through chemotherapy. So I've been directly touched by the disease and love to hear of stories of anyone who has survived it. What really annoys me is anytime anyone says anything remotely negative about him both him and his supporters, some on this forum, roll out the cancer defense straight away. Using it nonchalantly as if it absolves the man of anything and offers him the up most virtue. Lance is it true you took drugs? You must love cancer, I beat that desease man! Seriously can those defending him on here, and I've no problem with that each is entitled to their own opinion, but just please leave the cancer out of it. Yes we know about it, we know what he went through but trying to defend the man for what he did based on playing the cancer card is sick, pathetic and down right shameful both on your part and his part. There I've said my peace and will stay out of the remainder of this discussion.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Dave Brailsford needs to rethink his policies. He said he was shocked that Barry lied to him but he needed to be very naive to think that if he hired riders above a certain age, none would have doping histories. That's unrealistic and furthermore makes him look foolish.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Numerous riders on other teams have been named as Ferrari clients, particularly in Bertagnolli and Bileka's affidavits. They and their teams need to be questioned.
househero wrote: » You are right Alfa, sport should be clean, I am often beat by known users. Do I have a problem with that? No,
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » At the moment the story is all about the evidence and the other team mates who've made admissions, but the story is going to move on from there.The next step is the UCI, who've now got 21 days to decide what, if anything, they're going to do about this. It's too big to ignore and too credible to contest I think, but as yet they've shown no sign of wanting to clean house. There are numerous redacted names in the affidavits, e.g Rider 1, Rider 2 etc. I'm assuming these are non-US riders who don't fall under USADA jurisdiction. What is to be done about these people? Are their names and testimony related to them going to be forwarded to relevant national associations? There has to be blowback for other people named in the documents or linked to those named. For example, Bjarne Riis has some interesting times ahead. Four people have testified here they were doping on CSC. He can't be let ignore it. Similarly Contador was involved for a long time with Bruyneel and Pepe Marti was his personal trainer. He's also going to be asked a lot of hard questions. Numerous riders on other teams have been named as Ferrari clients, particularly in Bertagnolli and Bileka's affidavits. They and their teams need to be questioned. Dave Brailsford needs to rethink his policies. He said he was shocked that Barry lied to him but he needed to be very naive to think that if he hired riders above a certain age, none would have doping histories. That's unrealistic and furthermore makes him look foolish. While I believe most of the statements given in the past 24 hours, one guy I believe has been less than honest, specifically with regard to when he knocked it on the head. He said it was six years ago. I suspect it was shorter than that. Boards rule prohibit me from naming that person. But if we're going to be honest now, we might as well tell the full story. Also Barry owes us all an explanation as to why he issued a denial about Landis's allegations.
Hermy wrote: » I've reread your post and I'm still drawing the same conclusion that you believe USADA had a vendetta against Armstrong which is complete and utter nonsense. The fact is that USADA pursued a case against Armstrong because Lance Armstrong repeatedly doped, lied, cheated and bullied his way to the podium of the Tour de France
corny wrote: » Can you tell us why? He can stay unnamed though.;)
Raam wrote: » Bottle! Readers of Toto will figure it out quick enough.
Lusk Doyle wrote: » Paul Weller is a cyclist?!?
Raam wrote: » No.
petethedrummer wrote: » We need to go back and look at who started all this off. Floyd Landis with Tyler Hamilton quickly jumping on board. These guys are proven liars. Proven POWERFUL liars. If i had a red ball in my hand Landis would point at it and say it was blue because he can't not lie. I bet if he said it was red, the molecular structure of the plastic would change until it wasn't red anymore. That's how much of a liar he is. Nothing he says could possibly be true.See this is what has happened. 2 very powerful liars have some how, telekinesis perhaps, altered the synapses in the other 9 riders' brains so they are now all lying too. They implanted all the same stories in each one of their brains so they could all be corroborated if ever individually interrogated by a government agency (or two). Armstrong's brain has withstood tremondously strong treatments in the past and is therefore immune to their lies. He is the only one telling the truth now.
oflahero wrote: » I'll eat my too-short socks if UCI vs Kimmage makes it within an ass's roar of the courtroom steps now.
Flandria wrote: » Also worth noting that Ferrari was ahead of the plasticizer test and insisted on glass or polypropylene bags, he also speculated the the lab spiked Contador's clenbuterol sample. 'Schumi' really was a Formula 1 dirtbag wasn't he?
morana wrote: » what future can the sport have if Dowsett and Cummings are basically pro-doping. the sport is lost
petethedrummer wrote: » We need to go back and look at who started all this off. Floyd Landis with Tyler Hamilton quickly jumping on board. These guys are proven liars. Proven POWERFUL liars. If i had a red ball in my hand Landis would point at it and say it was blue because he can't not lie. I bet if he said it was red, the molecular structure of the plastic would change until it wasn't red anymore. That's how much of a liar he is. Nothing he says could possibly be true. See this is what has happened. 2 very powerful liars have some how, telekinesis perhaps, altered the synapses in the other 9 riders' brains so they are now all lying too. They implanted all the same stories in each one of their brains so they could all be corroborated if ever individually interrogated by a government agency (or two). Armstrong's brain has withstood tremondously strong treatments in the past and is therefore immune to their lies. He is the only one telling the truth now.
Yet, as explained below, Hincapie has testified that he was aware of Armstrong’s use of EPO and blood transfusions.49 He reports that Armstrong even provided EPO to Hincapie for Hincapie’s own use.50 Hincapie explains how he, like Armstrong, was a client of the doping doctor Michele Ferrari who incorporated EPO and blood doping into Hincapie’s training program.51 And, Hincapie admits that he participated in the USPS/Discovery Channel blood doping program.
“There have been times when I’ve practically lived out of the same suitcase with George Hincapie. In cycling we’re on the side of a mountain for weeks, in small hotel rooms, sharing every ache, and pain, and meal. You get to know everything about each other, including things you’d rather not.”52
