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Galway overtaken by Limerick?

beardybrewer

I always knew this was a skewed statistic having lived in Limerick, but I understood that Galway was Ireland's 3rd biggest city. This was clearly down to how they drew the lines in Limerick at the time. Yet I searched online this morning and clearly we're in the number 4 slot. Was I dreaming?

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cooperguy

Im from Limerick and have lived in Galway for 4 years. Limerick is undoubtedly bigger than Galway (and to add to the controversy it has a much better market aswell

). Galway however has a much better buzz around the city centre.

Mrs OBumble

liamhana wrote: »

census 2011 - population Galway City = 75,529
Limerick City - 57106
http://census.cso.ie/sapmap/

Ahh, is Dublin one city, or several?

Also don't forget

Belfast - 280962
Derry - 107877
Lisburn- 120165
Newry and Mourne - 99480
Newtownabbey - 85139

(source: 2011 census, NI Statistics and Research Agency. http://www.ninis2.nisra.gov.uk/public/pivotgrid.aspx)

I think that puts us about 9th. Mmm ... except some of the NI figures may include surrounding rural areas, I not sure.

charlemont

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ahh, is Dublin one city, or several?

Also don't forget

Belfast - 280962
Derry - 107877
Lisburn- 120165
Newry and Mourne - 99480
Newtownabbey - 85139

(source: 2011 census, NI Statistics and Research Agency. http://www.ninis2.nisra.gov.uk/public/pivotgrid.aspx)

I think that puts us about 9th. Mmm ... except some of the NI figures may include surrounding rural areas, I not sure.

Well, Those Northern figures do include the rural areas as they are pop stats from the Districts. Except Belfast.

Derry wouldn't be far ahead of Limerick pop wise.

kraggy

antoobrien wrote: »

Castletroy & Dooradoyle (Suburbs of Limerick) are enumerated as part of the City, where Bearna & Oranmore (which are now suburbs of Galway) are not. Not exactly comparing like with like.

Athenry is extracting the urine a bit, but there is a case for Claregalway being described as a suburb of Galway.

There is zero case for Claregalway being part of Galway City. Ditto, Oranmore.

Regardless, Limerick City is much bigger than Galway. There's no debating to be done here. Boundaries don't mean crap when you're talking about traffic, number of schools, shopping etc.

Limerick is bigger. By a good margin. End of.

And yes, I have lived in both.

galwayrush

What does it matter?

pleasant Co.

galwayrush wrote: »

What does it matter?

It only matters to the few people posting in this thread...so not a lot really :pac:

liamhana

kraggy wrote: »

. Boundaries don't mean crap when you're talking about traffic, number of schools, shopping etc.
.

Actually they're the exact reasons that Boundaries do mean 'crap'. Boundaries - city/county zones decide traffic plans/speed zones/ school planning & projections/zonings for shopping centres/housing/funding packages etc.

antoobrien

kraggy wrote: »

There is zero case for Claregalway being part of Galway City. Ditto, Oranmore.

Under the old census rules settlements were defined as areas with groups of dwellings that were within 200m of each other (it's now 100m). Under those rules I could make a good go of finding dwellings that link Ballintemlpe to Claregalway & Doughiska to Oranmore.

Sponge Bob

antoobrien wrote: »

Under those rules I could make a good go of finding dwellings that link Ballintemlpe to Claregalway & Doughiska to Oranmore.

You could if each is no more than 99m from the next one, off with ya so.

bluecode

ErnieBert wrote: »

There are way more cops in Limerick than Galway. What does that tell us? Limerick is bigger!

" there are 100 more gardaí in Limerick than in Galway, despite the fact that the Galway borough has the same population as Limerick"
http://debates.oireachtas.ie/seanad/1995/11/02/00008.asp

Well they need more cops in Limerick. The only shooting going on in Galway city is when the army is out practising on the range in Renmore.:D

kraggy

liamhana wrote: »

Actually they're the exact reasons that Boundaries do mean 'crap'. Boundaries - city/county zones decide traffic plans/speed zones/ school planning & projections/zonings for shopping centres/housing/funding packages etc.

antoobrien wrote: »

Under the old census rules settlements were defined as areas with groups of dwellings that were within 200m of each other (it's now 100m). Under those rules I could make a good go of finding dwellings that link Ballintemlpe to Claregalway & Doughiska to Oranmore.

You're both missing the point. I'm saying that you can in no way consider Galway to be a bigger city than Limerick. If one has to resort to techicalities of census law, then it just shows that there is no contest. Limerick City is bigger than Galway City. Even if you're not talking in terms of Galway v Limerick and are simply addressing my point about Claregalway, then those census rules are old for a reason. They're bull****.

Galway is basically a town in the grand scheme of things. Swallowing up Claregalway or Oranmore isn't going to make a difference in a European, or especially, World context.

And regarding the proximity of dwellings, then one could argue that there are plenty of places outside of Limerick that aren't considered part of the city that would adhere to those very same rules therefore making Limerick City even larger again.

liamhana

ah but the census is a technical document - maths/stats/graphs/co-efficiencies etc...within the boundary of Limerick City Council the pop is 53000, within the boundary of galway city council the boundary is 75000. Any other 'add-ons' are irrelevant...

Adding areas shouldnt be considered for either city - oranmore/claregalway (both galway county council) or annacotty (limerick coco) or Parteen (clare) is irrelevant...there's no way clare will let parteen go and most people in Parteen use the Clare address & they dont want to 'be from' limerick!

Sponge Bob

Most of Parteen is in Clare but if they permit Limerick sprawl at the southern tip they deserve to lose that bit to Limerick

Daisy78

Doesn't really matter which is bigger. Galway is by far the nicer city, its.pointless comparing the two. Limerick is a ****hole regardless of its size.

Straight Talker

Daisy78 wrote: »

Doesn't really matter which is bigger. Galway is by far the nicer city, its.pointless comparing the two. Limerick is a ****hole regardless of its size.

I actually quite Limerick and im not from either Limerick or Galway.Despite the hype about crime i find it to be a nicer and safer city than Dublin and no worse than Cork or Galway.I quite like the layout of it's streets and i've always found the locals to be very friendly.I have never had any bad experiences in the city centre anyway.Of course Galway is better marketed in Limerick and as such people dismiss Limerick without even visiting it.That's their loss because imo Limerick is just as good as Dublin Waterford and Galway although it wouldn't be as good as Cork.:pac:

charlemont

bluecode wrote: »

Well they need more cops in Limerick. The only shooting going on in Galway city is when the army is out practising on the range in Renmore.:D

Renmore brings back memories, I fired a Gustov smg on that range by the beach.

beardybrewer

Straight Talker wrote: »

Galway is better marketed in Limerick and as such people dismiss Limerick without even visiting it.

Limerick's problems are overstated but there is no doubt in my mind, having lived in both cities, Galway has a verve and vibe that Limerick does not. I think it's the better integrated student population (and that's the last kind thing I'll say about them). That said I was less frustrated by traffic, weather, and day to day chores like shopping in Limerick.

Greaney

I think all that answers the original posters question. I had wondered about Galway overtaking Limerick and that exlplains it for me, with knobs on

KKBL

During the winter Galway City would probably have a bigger population than Limerick City due to the massive amount of students who move into Galway for the college year.

amiable

KKBL wrote: »

During the winter Galway City would probably have a bigger population than Limerick City due to the massive amount of students who move into Galway for the college year.

Source?

-Vega-

It's about quality not quantity anyway...

Brennans Row

newkie wrote: »

Limerick's problems are overstated . . . . .

I wish they were!

Galway City Council enjoys a much larger jurisdiction area than Limerick City Council does.

In 1985 Galway City had an administrative area of 12,495 acres to Limerick's 5,155 acres.

Emergency legislation to tackle the social-spatial planning problems of Limerick in 2008 increased it to 7,675 acres.

The Department of Environment got it right by giving Galway City enough space to be run successfully by one local authority.

Sadly they screwed up Limerick City by allowing three local authorities to run it.

I often wonder how Limerick City would have fared out if it had 12,495 acres to plan with it back in 1950?

dave 27

KKBL wrote: »

During the winter Galway City would probably have a bigger population than Limerick City due to the massive amount of students who move into Galway for the college year.

I dont think Galway necessarily has more students than Limerick, Galways university is in the centre of town which gives the impression of more students and better buzz.

Limerick has UL which has around 17,000ish, then theres LIT which has 7,500, Mary I has 3,500 not to mention smaller places like Limerick Senior College, Griffith College etc etc..

flogging a dead horse

Galway people usually refer their 'city' to a 'town'

JupiterKid

Galway may be a much more pleasant city than Limerick (well, in my opinion) but if you compare the contiguous built-up areas of both cities - Limerick is in fact bigger than Galway - 92,000 compared to 76,000.

Dublin City has around 520,000 inhabitants but the actual city plus contiguous suburbs contain 1.2 million. You cannot judge a city's size simply by the population within its local authority boundaries - you must look at the entire urban area.

That said, Galway is growing at a rate much faster than Limerick and could well pass it out in the next 20 years if trends continue.

dloob

On the other hand Galway has a city council and now Limerick doesn't.

galwayrush

dloob wrote: »

On the other hand Galway has a city council and now Limerick doesn't.

Not necessarily a strong point...:pac:

Davyhal

Limerick is a bigger city than Galway, as Castletroy and Dooradoyle are far more integrated with the city than Barna, Claregalway, Oranmore, and most certainly Athenry. Knocknacarra would be the closest comparison...

If you are in the heart of Limerick city centre and start walking to Castletroy or Dooradoyle, at no point will you think you have left the city, same as when you walk from Galway to Knocknacarra... When you start in Galway city and walk to Barna, Claregalway, and definitely Athenry, you know that you have left the city and are now entering another place. There are significant areas of land between Galway city and these towns that are not built upon, thereby seperating the areas

dave 27

The post doesnt really make sence..Limerick was never smaller than Galway, Limerick was always bigger, Bigger city centre, wider streets, bigger buildings, bigger suburbs, bigger population..

These are parts of the city centre, id say you could probably fit most of the centre of galway in there alone!

Cityslicker1

Galway doesn't look or feel like a city to me. Architecturally the city centre is quite low rise and not very impressive, typical to what you would find in most towns throughout the country. Galway is more comparable to somewhere like Ennis. Limerick looks and feels like a city with rows and rows of fantastic Georgian buildings and has the best examples of late Georgian architecture outside of Dublin in the country. Limerick also has probably the best river front of all the cities in Ireland. Its easy to make Galway vibrant when it's essentially one narrow street full of tourists who were handed a tourist brochure when they got off the plane with Galway number one on the list and Limerick probably not mentioned. Plus Limerick doesn't look Irish enough for the Americans who are seeking the Irish experience that hits the perfect stereotype of an Irish city with its brightly painted buildings, narrow streets and Aran wearing hippies playing music on the street. Limerick city centre even feels bigger than Cork city centre as Cork has about two wide streets and the rest are narrow lanes and the entire city centre area is very compact. To go from The Hunt Musuem to the Daniel O' Connell statue in Limerick is over 1km and you are still in the city centre. To travel 1km from the bridge at the top of St.Patrick street in Cork and continuing straight up the street will bring you to the gates of UCC which isn't in the city centre. As for Galway..if you travel 1km from Jurys on Quay street and continue up Shop street you will leave the city centre very quickly and end up in the suburbs.