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Would you welcome Chancellor Merkel to Ireland?

JJLongford

Personally, I wouldn't be against her visiting; business or leisure. She seems nice enough. If anything I think it would be quite grown up to be able to tell her of our woes with Europe here. Dressing up in Nazi uniforms and destroying our own streets over it just seems very childish and unnecessary to me.

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nice_very

I would welcome her with a traditional Irish "pléascadh le fual" welcome

Shryke

Fuinseog wrote: »

the word nazi mentioned in the opening post. how original. i am surprised the irish do not get a rough ride in places like Britain where the IRA committed many a heroic deed.

Please explain how that's comparable? And do take into account the troubles and British rule and exploitation while you're at it. I don't have a republican streak but I do have some pride for my forefathers. Maybe don't talk crap though?

On a lighter note here's Dara O Briain getting a rough ride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP7Di7te5yM

Fuinseog

JJLongford wrote: »

What are you on? Did you not see the news today? It was shown by all news stations today - Greeks dressing up as Nazis in protest at Merkel's visit. I don't see how my reference to that is out of context.

Think before you post...

No, I did not see the news. the irish are obsessed with the nazis and for many it is the limit of their horizons when asked something about Germany.

if she does come it is guaranteed that references will be made to the war. david norris called the pope a Nazi just because he is German.

Fuinseog

Shryke wrote: »

Please explain how that's comparable? And do take into account the troubles and British rule and exploitation while you're at it. I don't have a republican streak but I do have some pride for my forefathers. Maybe don't talk crap though?

On a lighter note here's Dara O Briain getting a rough ride:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP7Di7te5yM

the irish would get piissed off pretty quick if all they ever heard was 'IRA' when they mentioned where they came from, yet the average irish person thinks nothing of bringing up the war if when they meet a German. every country has done things it is not proud off. WW2 was a long time ago. The IRA murder of innocent civilians done in our name was not.

Fuinseog

The Little Fella wrote: »

Chancellor Merkel...pfffft...more like Overlord Merkel.

yeah, merkel and her like demand we save money and make cutbacks while for the last decade we lived on free EU money and piissed away every penny.

Madam_X

Norris referred to the pope as a nazi for much more reason than him being German. Not saying he was right to, but it's disingenuous to say his being German was the only reason for the slur.

Agent_Orange

Craig Doyle will be eliminated.

Icepick

No. But then again, I wouldn't welcome anybody I don't know personally.

dj jarvis

Fuinseog wrote: »

the irish would get piissed off pretty quick if all they ever heard was 'IRA' when they mentioned where they came from, yet the average irish person thinks nothing of bringing up the war if when they meet a German. every country has done things it is not proud off. WW2 was a long time ago. The IRA murder of innocent civilians done in our name was not.

no they dont , dont make such a sweeping statement , they may jest about the war and how not to mention it , but do you honestly believe if a average Irish person met a German tourist they would mention Nazi Germany unless promoted ?

i have 2 sisters married to Germans, with lots of little German sprogs , cant count the amount of Germans we have staying in our house , and the war has NEVER been mentioned in jest or otherwise - so sorry you are wrong

Ellis Dee

JJLongford wrote: »

Not seen the news today? She went to Greece! They ripped the place apart and some dressed as Nazis for the day.

Greece and Ireland have different experiences of Germany, which did not invade our country or kill hundreds of thousands here. Besides which, Angela Merkel wasn't even born then, and the Greeks fail to recognise that they are in part the architects of their own misfortune given their reluctance to pay taxes and their failure to make their super-rich contribute to financing their social system.:)

Although I disagree with her on many things, I recognise that she, too, has to answer to her electorate and will do her utmost to protect Germany's national interests in the EU and wider afield. After all, we are always calling on our own politicians to do the same.:rolleyes:

She is the head of government of a friendly state - even if our relations with it are strained at the moment - and she deserves to be received here with respect and cordiality.:)

After all, if we could stomach the aul Windsor wan - who has a lot of German genes in her mixture - shouldn't we be able to bear a full-blooded German?:D

Honest opinion

RobbingBandit wrote: »

NEIN, We have had our fill of Fat Bints robbing the country blind, looking at you Biffo, Bertie and Harney et al.

What an insightful and interesting perspective. :rolleyes:

JJLongford

Fuinseog wrote: »

No, I did not see the news. the irish are obsessed with the nazis and for many it is the limit of their horizons when asked something about Germany.

if she does come it is guaranteed that references will be made to the war. david norris called the pope a Nazi just because he is German.

Again, think before you post.

Technically, the pope was a Nazi (member of the Nazi youth). Not wanting to split hairs.

hatrickpatrick

Merkel and her kind can go to hell. My blood literally boils when I think of them blackmailing us to bail out a sh!tty cowboy bank and then demanding we pay for it ourselves instead of letting their precious investors pay the price for their own stupidity.

Rhys Essien

Fuinseog wrote: »

No, I did not see the news. the irish are obsessed with the nazis and for many it is the limit of their horizons when asked something about Germany.

if she does come it is guaranteed that references will be made to the war. david norris called the pope a Nazi just because he is German.

I think its the Brits who are obsessed with all things German,WWII,Nazis.The Germans never done nothing to me.

Callan57

Some of my best friends are Germans

Piece of Bread.

Would be the first time a Nazi has not been happily invited to the Irish Republic.

Where To

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

Fuinseog

dj jarvis wrote: »

no they dont , dont make such a sweeping statement , they may jest about the war and how not to mention it , but do you honestly believe if a average Irish person met a German tourist they would mention Nazi Germany unless promoted ?

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the amount of Irish people I have encountered who found it funny to shout 'heil hitler' whenever they come across a German. its not funny even if it is intended to be in jest, no more than i would find it funny for a complete stranger abroad to make fun of the drunken irish or the IRA.

Fuinseog

what should we protest about when she comes? The Germans want us to spend wisely and make necessary cutbacks. what is wrong with that? we have not been able to govern ourselves and let ourselves be voluntarily raped by fianna fail.
this country probably has the most generous welfare system in the EU. that has to change. our German counterparts only get half of that.
German tourits spend millions in ireland. German companies employ at least 20,000 Irish people. maybe they should f off back to where they came from.
greeks wearing nazi uniforms is like shinners wearing black and Tan uniforms for teh visit of the queen, which even they would have found ridiculous.

Fuinseog

Rhys Essien wrote: »

I think its the Brits who are obsessed with all things German,WWII,Nazis.The Germans never done nothing to me.

unfortunately British culture has a powerful hold here.

CruelCoin

RobbingBandit wrote: »

NEIN, We have had our fill of Fat Bints robbing the country blind, looking at you Biffo, Bertie and Harney et al.

You do realise she (germany as a whole) GAVE us money, don't you?

Fuinseog

CruelCoin wrote: »

You do realise she (germany as a whole) GAVE us money, don't you?

free money. now we come out with all the anti German feeling where they give us a loan, known in Ireland as a bailout.without germany this country would have gone down the tubes.

Agent Smith

either way, she's paying for it...

Africa

Honestly, no. Her decisions protect her own country; thats fair enough, but its at our expense. Why she would want to come into the fire is against me anyway.

dj jarvis

Fuinseog wrote: »

the amount of Irish people I have encountered who found it funny to shout 'heil hitler' whenever they come across a German. its not funny even if it is intended to be in jest, no more than i would find it funny for a complete stranger abroad to make fun of the drunken irish or the IRA.

ah come on - either you have been VERY VERY unlucky to have come across these idiots, or your exaggerating for the sake of your argument.

Were these 10 year olds ? have to say, you move in very strange circles if the people you are around shout heil Hitler at Germans.

As for people shouting abuse at the Irish - I ran a bar in Germany for 2 years and a bar in Greece for a year - Place was crammed with drunk people , perfect opportunity for someone to start throwing insults about the Irish or the IRA , and do you know what ? NEVER HAPPENED , not even in jest

so basically you are saying only the Irish would be so ignorant towards Germans ?
sorry but it just does not happen , and if it does it would be a loan twat rather than the Irish as you would have us believe.

9959

Fuinseog wrote: »

unfortunately British culture has a powerful hold here.

I couldn't agree more.
The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Oasis, Blur, The Arctic Monkeys, Radiohead et al.
Shakespeare, Dickens, Milton, D.H. Lawrence
Irving Welsh, Martin Amis, Christopher Hitchens, Dylan Thomas
The BBC
English - A language almost universally understood, and if not understood, then studied.
Football, it'll never catch on. (You probably call it Soccer as do our American friends).
Rugby Union (try selling that silly sport to the rough-hewn Irish lads of, let's say, Limerick!
I could go on, but I would refer you to a speech made by 'Reg', a character played by John Cleese in the film 'The Life of Brian' which begins:"What have the Romans ever done for us"
A film, incidentally, which was banned in Ireland.
We (the Irish) led the western world when it came to censorship.

In answering the question posed in the 'thread heading', I would paraphrase another character played by John Cleese.

Yes, but don't mention 'The Emergency'.

suicide_circus

kodoherty93 wrote: »

Yeah of course. She has allowed the country to function for the last 3 years with cheapish money. If we didnt have a bailout the country would not have functioned over night. No money to pay social welfare, education and pay wages.

We would have ended up like a third world country

This is the great myth as exposed by Stephen Donnelly.
pretty much all the money went directly into our banking system to save foreign investors and bond holders (gamblers) from losing. This was done to stop our banks contaminating the rest of the Eurozone not so we could pay welfare, gardai and teachers. And the best part is that this debt is all on the shoulders of the Irish taxpayer for the next 100 years ensuring that our economy will continue to stagnante.
By any moral measure the banks should have been allowed to fail and the gamblers shoulder their own debts.
Everything Angela and lads did was in the interest of their business buddies not the Irish people.

splendid101

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Merkel and her kind can go to hell. My blood literally boils when I think of them blackmailing us to bail out a sh!tty cowboy bank and then demanding we pay for it ourselves instead of letting their precious investors pay the price for their own stupidity.

Sweet mother of mercy, I can personally and categorically guarantee that not even a millilitre of your blood literally boils under any circumstances that don't involve an amount of bleeding for you and red kettles full of your blood.

cardwizzard

CruelCoin wrote: »

You do realise she (germany as a whole) GAVE us money, don't you?

They GAVE us feck all, u do realize that don't u?

coonecb1

kodoherty93 wrote: »

Yeah of course. She has allowed the country to function for the last 3 years with cheapish money. If we didnt have a bailout the country would not have functioned over night. No money to pay social welfare, education and pay wages.

We would have ended up like a third world country

Sad that ignorance like this is so common.

1. The troika bailout was done by EU/ECB/IMF. Merkel had no part in the negotiations.

2. The bailout, if you remember correctly, was forced on us by the EU, at the time both Biffo and Lenihan denied wanting or needing a bailout, saying we were fully funded until 2011, which was correct at that time.

3. The money to pay for social welfare and education is not entirely dependent on the bailout. We could have saved billions by reneging on bank debt (especially the unguaranteed debt) or at the least by negotiating a 50% haircut with the bondholders.