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Scary US Republicans at it again

petersburg2002

Ok so this guy's views are not surprising coming from a southern Republican. What is scary is the fact that he is a medical doctor and member of the powerful US House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2213916/Paul-Broun-Member-House-Committee-Science-Space-Technology-calls-evolution-lies-pit-hell.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

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Nodin

squod wrote: »

Such a winner Einhard. Killing fetuses before they get the same rights that ''people'' do.

No rights to the unborn then. Screw them. That it?

Winner.:rolleyes:

obplayer

Einhard wrote: »

People...there's no point in attempting rational debate with the likes of tatranska. They believe what they believe through faith alone, have no knowledge of scientific concepts, and even less desire to learn about them. So, you might as well be debating with a tree as debating with such people. You'll only annoy yourself.

I understand that, believe me, but is not tatranska I am actually aiming at here. It is the people, particularly young people, who might be 'hovering' between explanations. I want them to understand that he is simply wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUozZo8nOpY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92x6AvxCFg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4GdZOlPrX8&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLF9729F67CD4034C9

petersburg2002

Infini2 wrote: »

And this is just one of many reasons why I hope Obama gets reelected. Romney has even bigger idiots than the democrats wanting back into the house >_>

And Romney has just gone ahead of Obama in the latest Rasmussen poll. The mind boggles.

BASHIR

Pandering and bull****ting one of the richest institutions in the world to get votes and sponsors is hopefully what he's doing. Other than that :-O

Einhard

squod wrote: »

Such a winner Einhard. Killing fetuses before they get the same rights that ''people'' do.

No rights to the unborn then. Screw them. That it?

Winner.:rolleyes:

Ummm, ok. Whatever you're having yourself. In no way did I attach a moral value to abortion in my post, but rather associated with the decline of conservatism in America, something I welcome even if I don't embrace every aspect of the liberalism that's in the ascendency. Hope that clears it up for ya. BTW, this guy :rolleyes: automatically detracts from the validity of any post.

steddyeddy

He has a doctorate of medicine and he doesnt believe in evolution? So he doesnt believe in the ability of certain bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics.

BASHIR

steddyeddy wrote: »

He has a doctorate of medicine and he doesnt believe in evolution? So he doesnt believe in the ability of certain bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics.

Nope that's the Devils work, duh. :pac:

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Einhard wrote: »

People...there's no point in attempting rational debate with the likes of tatranska. They believe what they believe through faith alone, have no knowledge of scientific concepts, and even less desire to learn about them. So, you might as well be debating with a tree as debating with such people. You'll only annoy yourself.

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.
Its possible to believe in God and science.
We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.
I just don't believe we came from monkeys.
If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.
I prefer to put my faith in a creator.
As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that its happening :-)
we do agree on one thing...debating with trees is pointless.

Einhard

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.

Yes I do actually. I know that you summarily dismiss scientific theses and rsearch, not because of any inherent issue with the science, but simply because it is incompatible with your beliefs, based on faith.

Its possible to believe in God and science.

Of course it is. The problem is, that you're not in this category.

We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.

If the Bible stated that the earth was flat, no doubt people like you would believe that too, and dismiss all evidence to the contrary.

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.

If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.

I prefer to put my faith in a creator.

What on earth is stopping God from initiating evolution? It's incredible to me that so many professed Christians state that one can't know the mind of God, and then do exactly that. Your opposition isn't about God- it's about your own solipsism. You don't want to be descended from a monkey. So stop pretending it's about God, and admit that it's about you. By dismissing evolution, you're not worshipping God so much as your own image.

As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that
its happening :-)

And how do they gain this resistance? That's right...through evolution. Which you don't believe in.

hatrickpatrick

Any chance of quoting all or at least some of the article in the OP so as we can find out what this is about without the shame of having to click on a Daily Mail link?

hatrickpatrick

Oh and eh... Absolutely nothing said by Jesus during his time here conflicts in any way shape or form with either the big bang theory OR the theory of evolution.
Just saying...

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Einhard wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.

Yes I do actually. I know that you summarily dismiss scientific theses and rsearch, not because of any inherent issue with the science, but simply because it is incompatible with your beliefs, based on faith.

Its possible to believe in God and science.

Of course it is. The problem is, that you're not in this category.

We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.

If the Bible stated that the earth was flat, no doubt people like you would believe that too, and dismiss all evidence to the contrary.

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.

If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.

I prefer to put my faith in a creator.

What on earth is stopping God from initiating evolution? It's incredible to me that so many professed Christians state that one can't know the mind of God, and then do exactly that. Your opposition isn't about God- it's about your own solipsism. You don't want to be descended from a monkey. So stop pretending it's about God, and admit that it's about you. By dismissing evolution, you're not worshipping God so much as your own image.

As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that
its happening :-)

And how do they gain this resistance? That's right...through evolution. Which you don't believe in.

As I said... You know nothing about me. If you did you wouldn't be writing all this nonsense.:-)

The earth was without form and void and god said let there be light..gensis 1.
It may well have been a Big Bang. But since I wasn't there,I can't verify it.

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

Einhard

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

No, my problem is with the fact that you don't believe in evolution, simply because you beiieve (erroneously IMO) that it's incompatible with belief. The Vatican has no issue with evolution, nor do hundreds of millions of Christians. So why do you have an issue?

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Einhard wrote: »

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You ask what's the problem with God initiating evolution. Your problem is that you don't believe He did. It all just happened!

No, my problem is with the fact that you don't believe in evolution, simply because you beiieve (erroneously IMO) that it's incompatible with belief. The Vatican has no issue with evolution, nor do hundreds of millions of Christians. So why do you have an issue?

I don't believe we came from monkeys.
I've also no difficulty with science and its compatibility with my beliefs.
I can look at creation and see the order and complexity in it and believe in the creator who made it.

You keep on quoting the vatican but..do you actually believe in God?

Wibbs

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

I don't believe we came from monkeys.

Why? What's wrong with "monkeys". In any event we came from apes.

Right so then how do you explain fossil humans that look like us from the neck down, but very different from the neck up with more apelike features and smaller brains? Don't believe in fossils or we got the dating wrong etc? OK then again how do you explain human like skulls that are waaaay outside the range of any humans alive today?

We also have the missing link or more to the point loads of intermediate species, including our own. Go back in time and we have animals that look like modern chimps only they're walking upright. Not as advanced an upright walking physiology as ours, but well on the way. Then as we move forward we bit by bit get to the modern human upright walking body shape. Indeed that evolved first, before our big brains really got going. Homo Erectus, the first human really looked like us, rather than an ape. From the neck down. You could walk him into TKMaxx and dress him in jeans and a shirt and he'd look like you and me, but his face would be very different. Again how do you explain this?

Modern humans do have some unusual traits, both physically and mentally. We've flatter, more juvenile faces with a chin, but that's the most of it. Culturally? Yep that used to be the cut off. We had art and fashion and all that, "they" that went before us didn't. Problem is that more and more we're finding that they did. Neandertals buried their dead, treated and cared for injured and disabled family/group members, wore body paint, made jewelry and wore specially selected bird feathers as adornment/cultural icons. Indeed it's looking possible/probable they did this before we did. How do you explain them? They looked very different in the face to us.

On the caring for others part, we can go back even further. A two million year old Erectus young woman whose bones showed she died from vitamin A poisoning. This took weeks and she would have been in terrible pain and would have been immobile. Yet someone cared for her through this. Someone brought her food and water. Someone cared, more than an upright chimp might, yet their brains were near half the size of ours today and as I said looked more "apelike".

housetypeb

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

As I said... You know nothing about me. If you did you wouldn't be writing all this nonsense.:-)

The earth was without form and void and god said let there be light..gensis 1.
..........

Let there be light on the first day-but he didn't get around to forming the stars until the 4th day.

GLaDOS

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

I just don't believe we came from monkeys.

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Seaneh

BASHIR wrote: »

Pandering and bull****ting one of the richest institutions in the world to get votes and sponsors is hopefully what he's doing. Other than that :-O

Which institution is that then?
I highly doubt that Liberty Baptist Church, in a tiny town called Hartwell outside Gainesville Goergia on the Boarder with South Carolina, is all that rich at all.

Sykk

'You see, there’s a lot of scientific data that I’ve found as a scientist that this really is a young earth,' Broun told the crow. 'I don’t believe that the earth is but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was made in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible tells us.'

I'd love to see his scientific data :pac:. I'd imagine anyone who asks is "the devil". What a waster. Delighted to see he's a dying breed of person.

Shryke

Sykk wrote: »

'You see, there’s a lot of scientific data that I’ve found as a scientist that this really is a young earth,' Broun told the crow. 'I don’t believe that the earth is but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was made in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible tells us.'

I'd love to see his scientific data :pac:. I'd imagine anyone who asks is "the devil". What a waster. Delighted to see he's a dying breed of person.

Hopefully his kind will go the way of the dinosaurs. Speaking of dinosaurs...

jmayo

Maci Thankful Fool wrote: »

You actually know nothing about me or my interests.
Its possible to believe in God and science.
We would still be thinking the earth was flat otherwise.
I just don't believe we came from monkeys.
If you want to put your faith in evolution that's up to you.
I prefer to put my faith in a creator.
As for bacteria gaining resistance to drugs. Its a known scientific fact that its happening :-)
we do agree on one thing...debating with trees is pointless.

So you believe that god made us in his image and of course he would be perfect ?
Then please explain why we have an appendix ?

Was god just having a bit of a laugh and couldn't decide if we would be vegetarians or not ?

BTW didn't it take the churches, or some of them anyway, a fair while to accept that the earth was not flat ?

the_syco

Some daft christians believe that the their god made the universe, but can't seem to get their head around the fact that if god could be ever present , why the universe couldn't have here all the time?