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mtoutlemonde

Marie212 wrote: »

Yeah I was looking into that too but I don't think I would enjoy it as much because it's online Where did you do your H Dip? I was thinking of Maynooth if I go for it

I did mine in NUIG. I've heard that NUIM is very well run.

IrishEyes19

Marie212 wrote: »

No I don't have any experience at all. I've just graduated this summer and I'm really confused what to do next. Omg 13,000 would be crazy money to charge, no way would people want to do it. I think I would prefer primary to secondary but then there's the whole learning Irish again so I might look into the UK but the fees are probably mad there Thinking of maybe doing a CELTA course in the meantime and go travelling next year...

I better get it for 2013 so, 13 grand is crazy!!! I hope its not going to go down that route!!

Anthony7

hi there Marie12,

You should definitely apply for the PDE (Professional Diploma in Education). I myself am now 45 and will be 46 by the time I do the PDE in Languages next year once I have my honours Level 8 Degree finished and I am doing teaching no matter what!

best regards

jonsnow123

Bobblehead Panda wrote: »

This thread can be used to ask questions about the PGDE/HDip.

Please search this thread to see if your question has been answered before posting in it.

I received the Probation Act 6 years ago when I was in my early 20's for the possession of a small quantity of drugs. The Probation Act itself is not a criminal conviction, however the incident remains on record and will rear its ugly head under the Garda Vetting process. As I'm considering applying to do the PGDE/HDip next year, I contacted the Teaching Council about this issue and they informed me that there was no problem with me qualifying as a teacher, but that information regarding the incident would be made available to prospective future employers. Will employers discriminate on this basis? Anybody out there been in a similar situation or have an insight to whether or not I'm wasting my time doing the PDGE?

dukedalton

jonsnow123 wrote: »

I received the Probation Act 6 years ago when I was in my early 20's for the possession of a small quantity of drugs. The Probation Act itself is not a criminal conviction, however the incident remains on record and will rear its ugly head under the Garda Vetting process. As I'm considering applying to do the PGDE/HDip next year, I contacted the Teaching Council about this issue and they informed me that there was no problem with me qualifying as a teacher, but that information regarding the incident would be made available to prospective future employers. Will employers discriminate on this basis? Anybody out there been in a similar situation or have an insight to whether or not I'm wasting my time doing the PDGE?

I know somebody from my PGDE class who was in a similar position to what you've described and they've been in almost continuous employment since graduation

endswell

Marie212 wrote: »

Ah thanks I thought maybe the two year programme was in place for 2013. I'm in two minds at the minute between primary and secondary. I have an honours degree in Business but I've heard there are an abundance of business/accounting teachers in Ireland..

take the hons degree in business, do further education in business, specialise, then consider your options. you would have far more wages, more options (secondary/3rd level/stay in finance), you could travel with it too, and you wouldnt have to take stick off the nation for being underpaid for a job you do well. you'd be crazy to go into teaching right now, imo. Good luck with decision

bichonmammy

hi guys just wondering if anyone did a hdip through distance learning? im looking to get into lecturing i have an MSc in Management and a BA in Accounting but dont know what the best course would be any suggestions?

Siuin

Does anyone know what the finishing month for a PDE is? Does it go right through to the following September?

TheBody

bichonmammy wrote: »

hi guys just wondering if anyone did a hdip through distance learning? im looking to get into lecturing i have an MSc in Management and a BA in Accounting but dont know what the best course would be any suggestions?

You don't need a hdip or the PDE as it's called now to lecture. I'd say a phd would be more beneficial to you to get a lecturing position. The PDE is really designed for secondary school teaching.

bichonmammy

thanks TheBody, I looked into PHd's and any of the ones I was interested in were full time which I cant financially afford to do at the moment so I thought the hdip would sufice to get me a step closer to lecturing

Mardy Bum

bichonmammy wrote: »

thanks TheBody, I looked into PHd's and any of the ones I was interested in were full time which I cant financially afford to do at the moment so I thought the hdip would sufice to get me a step closer to lecturing

Lecturing is extremely hard to get into now. Depending on the area, especially if its a more academic subject (humanities) it takes years to even get an occasional lecture position in a college.

nalasmith

Hello all. I am a current H.dip. I am short 20 credits in biology to be recognised as a teacher of that subject by the TC. Just wondering has anyone been in this position before and what did they do to rectify it? Where can i take module to make up this credit???

therightangle

Has anyone here any knowledge/experience of whether an NUI civil engineering degree from the 90's is currently acceptable to teach maths or applied maths or physics?

I dont like the thought of giving 500euro to the Teaching Council to give me a yes or no answer.

ViveLaVie

Does UCC have a good reputation for the PDE?

mtoutlemonde

therightangle wrote: »

Has anyone here any knowledge/experience of whether an NUI civil engineering degree from the 90's is currently acceptable to teach maths or applied maths or physics?

I dont like the thought of giving 500euro to the Teaching Council to give me a yes or no answer.

Hi, you'll have to go onto the teaching councils website and check their list of recognised subjects http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Publications/Autoquals%20updated%2026th%20July%202012.pdf I doubt you'll be registered for maths - I have an engineering degree (IT) and I'm not registered for maths. It costs €200 for assessment and €100 per additional subject.

You could also check to see if the degree was eligible prior to the teaching council.

I just checked the list - it doesn't have your degree listed. I also checked the PAC website (http://www.pac.ie/pdeinfo/recogniseddegrees.php?inst=pe#GY17P_a) and its not listed there either.

Someone else might have more information for you.

therightangle

Thanks for the reply

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Hi, you'll have to go onto the teaching councils website and check their list of recognised subjects http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Publications/Autoquals%20updated%2026th%20July%202012.pdf

I had found it there before on p65 and it says
Bachelor of Engineering -> Mathematics &Applied Mathematics
subject to the 30% content over 3 years, which is the grey area.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I doubt you'll be registered for maths - I have an engineering degree (IT) and I'm not registered for maths. It costs €200 for assessment and €100 per additional subject.

Thats where Im getting the 500 from, 200 + 3 subjects at 100 each, lot of money

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

You could also check to see if the degree was eligible prior to the teaching council.

Do you mean ask the NUI college? I dont know any engineers that are teachers already to ask them

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I just checked the list - it doesn't have your degree listed. I also checked the PAC website (http://www.pac.ie/pdeinfo/recogniseddegrees.php?inst=pe#GY17P_a) and its not listed there either.
Someone else might have more information for you.

Its in that link also:
CK40P Bachelor of Engineering - Mathematics & Applied Mathematics

But as above, you have to have the 30% content over each of 3 years I think....hard to know what maths related subjects will count. It was actually Hibernia who thought that Physics would be the most likely subject for engineers....

therightangle

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I have an engineering degree (IT) and I'm not registered for maths.

mtoutlemonde, can I ask was it the Teaching Council that told you that your eng degree wouldnt do for maths? Are there any subjects that it qualifies you to teach? Have you considered taking a supplementary maths course?
Thanks

mtoutlemonde

therightangle wrote: »

mtoutlemonde, can I ask was it the Teaching Council that told you that your eng degree wouldnt do for maths? Are there any subjects that it qualifies you to teach? Have you considered taking a supplementary maths course?
Thanks

Yes the Teaching Council didn't register me for maths. I didn't get my qualifications assessed for maths. I think the B.Eng. is the only degree that qualifies you teach maths (I think there is a thread about engineers and teaching maths on boards). I went back to university in the evening to complete a BA. I am currently registered to teach ICT and waiting for my second subject to be added. I did consider doing the supplementary maths course - I contacted UL and you have to be timetabled to at least one class of maths to be eligible and I'm unemployed at the moment and I'm gone off maths at the moment and I've been in college for the past ten years so I might consider it in the future.

mtoutlemonde

therightangle wrote: »

Thanks for the reply

I had found it there before on p65 and it says
Bachelor of Engineering -> Mathematics &Applied Mathematics
subject to the 30% content over 3 years, which is the grey area.

If this is your degree then you'll be registered for maths and applied maths - I thought you said that your degree was a civil engineerind degree.

therightangle wrote: »

Thats where Im getting the 500 from, 200 + 3 subjects at 100 each, lot of money

Well if that is defintely your degree you shouldn't have to pay to have your qualifications assessed as your degree has already been assessed and is on the recognised list of degree programmes.

therightangle wrote: »

Its in that link also:
CK40P Bachelor of Engineering - Mathematics & Applied Mathematics

But as above, you have to have the 30% content over each of 3 years I think....hard to know what maths related subjects will count. It was actually Hibernia who thought that Physics would be the most likely subject for engineers....

Did you try to register with the TC yet? I'd apply and see what happens - if they don't register you with a subject then you can do the assessment to see what shortfalls you have.

therightangle

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I think there is a thread about engineers and teaching maths on boards

I didnt find a thread on that - thanks for the heads up, i'll look again

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I am currently registered to teach ICT and waiting for my second subject to be added.

Did you have a lot of IT/programming in your BA to get it passed as a subject?

therightangle

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

If this is your degree then you'll be registered for maths and applied maths - I thought you said that your degree was a civil engineerind degree.

I hope youre right, but Im concerned that I dont have the 30% over each of 3 years, which seems to be a new rule? Youre right I did say civil, but the college/NUI call both civil and electrical a BEngineering

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Well if that is defintely your degree you shouldn't have to pay to have your qualifications assessed as your degree has already been assessed and is on the recognised list of degree programmes.

I think they say it qualifies for "potential" subjects of maths and Applied Maths, which leaves a doubt.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

Did you try to register with the TC yet? I'd apply and see what happens - if they don't register you with a subject then you can do the assessment to see what shortfalls you have.

I dont have the Dip done yet and this is why Im debating doing the dip based on subject options. If the Eng degree gives me no subjects, then I would be more inclined to do the Primary Dip I think.
Thanks for the help.

mtoutlemonde

therightangle wrote: »

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I think there is a thread about engineers and teaching maths on boards

I didnt find a thread on that - thanks for the heads up, i'll look again

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

I am currently registered to teach ICT and waiting for my second subject to be added.

Did you have a lot of IT/programming in your BA to get it passed as a subject?

I did a B.Sc. in IT so that satisfied the TC requirements to register for IT. I also studied French but didn't meet the requirements so I took occasional BA credits last year. I don't think it's a benefit to be registered with IT as its used as a timetable filler. Hopefully there will be a day when IT will be an examinable subject and it will be of benefit to me.

spurious

Just for information, IT is an examinable subject in the Applied Leaving Cert.. It is also an optional specialism in the same exam.

mtoutlemonde

spurious wrote: »

Just for information, IT is an examinable subject in the Applied Leaving Cert.. It is also an optional specialism in the same exam.

I am aware of that but havn't heard any school running it. I am referring to the established leaving certificate. I think this is a pity and if it was to be introduced students 'may' improve in maths as a result of using logical thinking to solve problems.

Celine_B

Hi,

I have few questions about the PGDE.
I am a native French speaker and would like to teach French and another subject such as German or History.
I have been told that I didn't need to study French and that I could take German and History instead.
I wonder if that could only work for Scotland? What about Ireland? And what about if I try to find work elsewhere such as Canada or Australia? I don't think I would qualify for teaching French then?

Thank your for your help,
Celine

Mark Hamill

I've a couple of questions about the PGDE:
1) Courses cost in or around €6500, right? (Dublin area)
2) How much of a wage do you get for teaching in the first year?
3) I just got a PhD (chemistry, from UCD, passed Viva in July/August), so if I get into a PGDE, am I classed as a mature student, postgraduate student, continuing student? (Basically what sort of grants can I apply for).

Mardy Bum

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I've a couple of questions about the PGDE:
1) Courses cost in or around €6500, right? (Dublin area)
2) How much of a wage do you get for teaching in the first year?
3) I just got a PhD (chemistry, from UCD, passed Viva in July/August), so if I get into a PGDE, am I classed as a mature student, postgraduate student, continuing student? (Basically what sort of grants can I apply for).

Course currently costs 6500 but probably will rise slightly. From 2014 it will become a 2 year course and so the price will double.
The first wrung on the ladder is now around 30000. However do not expect this in your first year. You may, if lucky, get lesser hours than the full 22 and so will not earn near to that amount.
Students are not really classified as anything. If you are looking to get the grant I'm not sure what the stipulations are currently. It is classified as a level 8 course now so Im not sure where that leaves it.
Its also called the PDE now- Professional Diploma in Education.

Mark Hamill

Mardy Bum wrote: »

The first wrung on the ladder is now around 30000. However do not expect this in your first year. You may, if lucky, get lesser hours than the full 22 and so will not earn near to that amount.

Is that how much you earn during the course year, or during the first year as a qualified teacher? (I actually meant the former, I realise now I may have worded the question wrong

Bobsammy

You don't get paid for your teaching practice while you're doing the Dip.
Here is the current salary scale - I presume you've never taught before - so that would be the salary if you had full hours (22) after you've qualified which would be very very rare. If you have less hours you'd be paid the appropriate proportion of the full salary.

Mark Hamill

Bobsammy wrote: »

You don't get paid for your teaching practice while you're doing the Dip.

Teaching practice? Is it not the actual course (for whatever subject you ar teaching) taught to an actual class for a full year? How the hell do people manage to work for a year at a cost of €6500, with no pay? Even PhDs pay