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Innocence Of Muslims, Anyone Seen It Yet ?

Am Chile

Referring to the new film that seen riots in some Muslim countries-has anyone actually seen it yet ? I haven,t had time to watch it as of yet-Im gonna watch it sometime in the next few days-I must say I find the reaction over the top and hysterical-Pat Condell post a new video blog with his thoughts on the recent trouble-I agree with Pat 100%.

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Some people will find any excuse to shout, chant and burn **** for the smallest of reasons.

Its a bit like what Tommy Tiernan said, Thick fcukers love sheds. Same applies here.

af_thefragile

MagicSean wrote: »

It's clearly been made with the sole aim of insulting the Muslim religion. And it doesn't hide it with humour or satire. It's just a hate movie, nothing more. And I disagree with that kind of thing. Freedom expression is all well and good but it should not be used to insult a billion people.

Exactly. Anyone whose seen the movie can clearly tell its an absolute joke and wasn't made to recieve any critical acclaim. It was poorly made and with only one purpose which was to insult muslims. And thanks to the media hype, the makers of the movie managed to achieve exactly what they set out for.

RobbingBandit

ikeano29 wrote: »

The price on Salman Rushdie's head went up again because of this movie.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/pageviews/2012/09/salman-rushdie-is-a-wanted-managain-satanic-verses-fatwa-renewed

Any chance we can have a night honouring Salman, where we jump him and hand him over for the bounty. Just think of that split between all the posters on After Hours, plus we rid the world of a smug fcuker to boot.

Dravokivich

20 seconds in and I tire of the "Once Again" catch phrase he seems to have for himself preceding every sentence.

BrokenArrows

af_thefragile wrote: »

How well do you think a film would go down that made fun of the holocaust?

Double standards much?!

It wouldn't go down well but you can guarantee 100% that there wouldn't be riots and murders.

Not the same thing at all.

Nodin

Am Chile wrote: »

Referring to the new film that seen riots in some Muslim countries-has anyone actually seen it yet ? I haven,t had time to watch it as of yet-Im gonna watch it sometime in the next few days-I must say I find the reaction over the top and hysterical-Pat Condell post a new video blog with his thoughts on the recent trouble-I agree with Pat 100%.

You were doing ok till you mentioned condell. You lost me there.

af_thefragile

BrokenArrows wrote: »

It wouldn't go down well but you can guarantee 100% that there wouldn't riots and murders.

Not the same thing at all.

Do you really think Israel will remain quiet about it?

Also compare around 13.5 million Jews with around 1.6 billion muslims.
That's a lot more people to insult...

Dravokivich

BrokenArrows wrote: »

It wouldn't go down well but you can guarantee 100% that there wouldn't be riots and murders.

Not the same thing at all.

You are talking about social context, not religious extremism. In those countries high tensions would be used regularly to trigger violence. It happened in England last year. Not an odd thing to see, just doesn't happen regularly in front of us.

actuallylike

af_thefragile wrote: »

Do you really think Israel will remain quiet about it?

It's not a question about remaining quiet about it. Muslims have every right to be angry about it as would Jews about a film mimicking the holocaust. These people aren't just remaining quiet about it though, they're murdering people. These people should be ousted for the murderers they are, seperate them from religion and treat them like they are, murderers. I'm sick of everyone saying 'Oh, you shouldn't make film's like that', I agree but the main focus shouldn't be if a film has been made or not, it should be that these murderers are murdering in the name of it and everyone's going 'Ah, you shouldn't have made that film, you know what they're like'.

The French pulling children from schools abroad because of a cartoon. A US Ambassador been murdered (a declaration of war in itself). And people like Obama are coming out trying to calm the crowd. Your citizens are been murdered over the most trivial thing and you want to talk with them? Can someone point me towards an official Muslim response to this outbreak calling these murderers what they are...murderers and nothing more! Distance these people from any religion, otherwise you get daft BNP racists like Condell using it as an excuse to hate a billion people.

General General

Mr. Condell likes making statements that go: "we've had...", "we know...", "we cannot..." & so on. Yet who is he speaking for? If it is a majority or even a substantial minority, then he'd have millions of views or be on mainstream TV. Effectively, I suspect he speaks for one segment of the population that is seething that it has little or no control in the world. I suspect that that segment has little or no control in the world as they understand so little about it.

It's not the conspiracy of some others that renders them of no effect, it's their own lacking, a lack of skills ranging from those required for analyzing what is actually happening in their environment to those required to persuade masses of people to effect change.

I've seen some clips of this Innocence of Muslims thing & was amazed just how much it seemed designed solely to malign Islam, viewed either as a religion or as a tradition.

I cannot know the motivation for creating such a piece of work, but I doubt it surprised or disappointed the makers that riots ensued & people have been killed.

I'm guessing the motivations for the riots were mixed, from the political convenience of an outrage, through hotheadedness & the madness of crowds, all the way to the anger people feel when they feel that the view of the world that they & their family holds dear is being dishonoured. There are many more such motivating factors, I am sure.

The motivations of those who like Mr. Condell would seize these events as yet another opportunity to 'explain' how things are, well, I think I've mentioned some of those..

'Islam: The Untold Story' was a much more interesting phenomenon, as has been the responses to it & some of the responses to those responses.

af_thefragile

actuallylike wrote: »

It's not a question about remaining quiet about it. Muslims have every right to be angry about it as would Jews about a film mimicking the holocaust. These people aren't just remaining quiet about it though, they're murdering people. These people should be ousted for the murderers they are, seperate them from religion and treat them like they are, murderers. I'm sick of everyone saying 'Oh, you shouldn't make film's like that', I agree but the main focus shouldn't be if a film has been made or not, it should be that these murderers are murdering in the name of it and everyone's going 'Ah, you shouldn't have made that film, you know what they're like'.

The French pulling children from schools abroad because of a cartoon. A US Ambassador been murdered (a declaration of war in itself). And people like Obama are coming out trying to calm the crowd. Your citizens are been murdered over the most trivial thing and you want to talk with them? Can someone point me towards an official Muslim response to this outbreak calling these murderers what they are...murderers and nothing more! Distance these people from any religion, otherwise you get daft BNP racists like Condell using it as an excuse to hate a billion people.

Firstly its only a few crazy muslims who caused the few murders. Libya is an extremely unstable country currently at war and in extreme social unrest. Such an event would have only acted as a catalyst towards such an attack on the US embassey there. Its hardly surprising an American official got killed there. There are many people in Libya who view USA as the enemy which killed their leader and people.

Secondly there is no "official spokesperson" of the muslims who can give an official statement on the behalf of 1.6 billion people from various different nationalities and societies. Many muslims have voiced their condemnation of the unfortunate events that have taken place from all over the world but the news channels like to focus on where the "action" is taking place.

Also its intresting how people quickly jump towards pointing at the "crazy violent muslims" when such events happen. A lot of violence and killing took place in London last year as well. No one went around saying "look how crazy and violent Londoners are!!".

actuallylike

af_thefragile wrote: »

Firstly its only a few crazy muslims who caused the few murders. Libya is an extremely unstable country currently at war and in extreme social unrest. Such an event would have only acted as a catalyst towards such an attack on the US embassey there. Its hardly surprising an American official got killed there. There are many people in Libya who view USA as the enemy which killed their leader and people.

I imagine there'll be more deaths but I can't be positive. I'm going on the death rate of something like 40 or 50 because of the Danish cartoon and predicting the same again.

af_thefragile wrote: »

Secondly there is no "official spokesperson" of the muslims who can give an official statement on the behalf of 1.6 billion people from various different nationalities and societies. Many muslims have voiced their condemnation of the unfortunate events that have taken place from all over the world but the news channels like to focus on where the "action" is taking place.

The main responses I've seen is people condemning the video. there's no need for that, everyone's in the same boat. Condemn the acts that have followed. Hilary Clinton's response was unimpressive, condemning the acts but firstly her main point been that condemning the video. Fúck that, your citizens have been murdered, that's top priority.

af_thefragile wrote: »

Also its intresting how people quickly jump towards pointing at the "crazy violent muslims" when such events happen. A lot of violence and killing took place in London last year as well. No one went around saying "look how crazy and violent Londoners are!!".

Actually, I think a lot of people did say look how crazy they are, at least towards the youth. And I agree about people jumping towards blaming all muslims. That's what our idiot Condell does. what I'd like to see is all Muslim's to forget about their outrage about the film first and condemn and distance themselves from the murderers and rioters. It gives anti-Muslim beliefs a serious boost when this carry on happens.

The Master of Disaster

I tried but after about minute I had to give up, it's just that bad.

Toby Take a Bow

Am Chile wrote: »

Having a protest is one thing-burning down embassies,trying to attack people at Universities,mass rioting is another thing entirely.

Both are examples of unrest, which you claimed wouldn't happen if it involved insults to Christianity.

wes

actuallylike wrote: »

. A US Ambassador been murdered (a declaration of war in itself).

The attack on the Ambassador wasn't about the film, the attack was planned a long time in advance:

Report: Never an Anti-American Protest in Benghazi, Only a Planned Attack

CBS reports this morning that witnesses are saying "that there was never an anti-American protest outside of the consulate [in Benghazi, Libya]. Instead, they say, it came under planned attack. That is in direct contradiction to the administration's account of the incident."

As for an official Muslim response. There is no such thing, as there is no one that represents Muslims in general.

There have been people who condemned the violence, but by its very nature, its not as loud, as there not wrecking stuff:
A Moment for Moderates

There were also pro-American demonstrations in Libya:
'This Does Not Represent Us': Moving Photos of Pro-American Rallies in Libya

Again they didn't wreck the place, so don't get much coverage.

Personally, the violent protests are dumb, and those involved idiots.

Am Chile

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Both are examples of unrest, which you claimed wouldn't happen if it involved insults to Christianity.

When the mohammed cartoons were published in Danish newspapers at the time there was embassies set ablaze, people killed in mass riots-a few months before those danish mohammed cartoons, there was a paddy power cartoon advert of Jesus playing poker at the last supper-I can,t recall any Irish embassies set ablaze or anyone being killed in mass riots over the paddy power cartoon.

386dx_009

BrokenArrows wrote: »

I watched the video.

Its a purely acted and directed movie which if a bit of canned laughter was added here and there it could be mistaken for a comedy.

But i have no idea how that video could have incited the riots that occured

surprised that comedy on bbc has not sparked world wide riots by now.

Am Chile

af_thefragile wrote: »

How well do you think a film would go down that made fun of the holocaust?

Double standards much?!

Iranian TV Channel 1 broadcast the anti-Jewish film "Saturday Hunter" in which a wild-eyed rabbi teaches his young grandson to become a mass-murderer of non-Jews and to create a machine that will destroy every other nation.

Jews are also depicted falsifying ancient scriptures and discussing how to corrupt Christians and Muslims so that men will turn female, women will turn male and both Christian and Muslim lineages will die out.

The rabbi - who lies about being blind - is shown telling his grandson that the Jewish scriptures approve of murder as long as it's a non-Jew who is being killed. Subsequently, the boy is shown murdering an Arab boy who was a friend of his.

This film, directed Mohammed Qahremani was produced last year and has been screened at a film festival in Tehran and subsequently shown in cinemas around Iran. Having been shown in the last few weeks on a government-run TV channel, its connection with the Iranian government is much greater than that between the US government and the "Innocence of Muslims" which is currently the source of such controversy.

Yet, there have been no riots, no violence, not even any public protests that I'm aware of outside Iranian embassies or consulates. Far from being offended, Jews seem to have shrugged it off. Jewish community leaders in Iran did write in protest about it to the regime but were ignored. http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6676.htm

UCDVet

Am Chile wrote: »

I wasn,t aware of this protest taking place tomorrow ? any Idea whos organising it ?

Nah - but they told the international/American students to avoid the US embassy today because of some protest.

Am Chile

Its still ongoing it seems with more clashes today.

Thousands of protesters angry at a US-made anti-Islam film clashed with
police close to Islamabad’s diplomatic enclave in chaotic scenes that left at
least 50 people injured.

Officers fired tear gas and live rounds as the demonstrators, many armed with
wooden clubs, tried to reach the heavily-guarded enclave, home to most Western
embassies, including the US, British and French missions.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/world/thousands-clash-with-police-over-anti-islam-film-208300.html

Toby Take a Bow

Am Chile wrote: »

When the mohammed cartoons were published in Danish newspapers at the time there was embassies set ablaze, people killed in mass riots-a few months before those danish mohammed cartoons, there was a paddy power cartoon advert of Jesus playing poker at the last supper-I can,t recall any Irish embassies set ablaze or anyone being killed in mass riots over the paddy power cartoon.

Yes, the above is an example of unrest. As is protesting to prevent people from seeing plays etc depicting Jesus in a 'blasphemous' way, which you claimed didn't happen.

My name is URL

Oatesy23 wrote: »

There is 1.6 billion Muslims, and a few thousand loons in backward countries causing trouble. I'm sick of seeing people tar them all with the same brush.

I guarantee all 1.6 billion believers are upset about the video, but 99.999% of them aren't going to kill and riot because of it.

inb4 ''religion of peace lolol''

I watched about 5 minutes and turned it off, boring and the acting feckin sucks balls.

Still better than Battlefield Earth, though.

Crann na Beatha

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whydoc

Here are muslim responses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zuKbBlmRo&feature=g-like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDqnRqTVtCo&feature=player_embedded

Napper Hawkins

Aquila wrote: »

What would jesus say

"why did I even bother?"

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

My name is URL wrote: »

Still better than Battlefield Earth, though.

lies, that book was great up until around page 4000

Biggins

Aquila wrote: »

What would jesus say

If it was about Mohammed or his off-spring nut-jobs, we would never know.
It would be edited out such as news sites (journal.ie for one) regularly do!

neil_hosey

what i find so strange about all this.. Jesus is also a prophet in Islam, the piss is ripped out of him on a regular basis, but no protests or killings or whatever.

Grayson

Am Chile wrote: »

Iranian TV Channel 1 broadcast the anti-Jewish film "Saturday Hunter" in which a wild-eyed rabbi teaches his young grandson to become a mass-murderer of non-Jews and to create a machine that will destroy every other nation.

Jews are also depicted falsifying ancient scriptures and discussing how to corrupt Christians and Muslims so that men will turn female, women will turn male and both Christian and Muslim lineages will die out.

The rabbi - who lies about being blind - is shown telling his grandson that the Jewish scriptures approve of murder as long as it's a non-Jew who is being killed. Subsequently, the boy is shown murdering an Arab boy who was a friend of his.

This film, directed Mohammed Qahremani was produced last year and has been screened at a film festival in Tehran and subsequently shown in cinemas around Iran. Having been shown in the last few weeks on a government-run TV channel, its connection with the Iranian government is much greater than that between the US government and the "Innocence of Muslims" which is currently the source of such controversy.

Yet, there have been no riots, no violence, not even any public protests that I'm aware of outside Iranian embassies or consulates. Far from being offended, Jews seem to have shrugged it off. Jewish community leaders in Iran did write in protest about it to the regime but were ignored. http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/6676.htm

And the israelies certainly didn't blow up a load of scientists in Iran. And definitely aren't planning an airstrike.

ejmaztec

neil_hosey wrote: »

what i find so strange about all this.. Jesus is also a prophet in Islam, the piss is ripped out of him on a regular basis, but no protests or killings or whatever.

They only seem to care about the dead head honcho.