jessiejam wrote: » Ya probably:p In all seriousness though if you re-read my post you will see this-Saying that I see an awful lot of women on the road driving cars that they can't drive properly practically sitting on the steering wheel their noses almost touching the windscreen. It takes all types really I suppose If you can drive properly the nose touching off the windscreen doesn't matter!
Fuinseog wrote: » if you are driving at 100km per hour on the 100km per hour M50 surely the lane is not that important. although on the motorways driving at 120km I get out of the way for those who want to overtake me.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » rogieop wrote: » you are an idiot. Hand in your driving license. please. you make commuting to work a nightmare for people. You stay in the lane as far to the left as possible untill you need to overtake. once you have over taken you return to the lane closest to the left as possible. As long as you watch yuor own speed you need not worry about others. You're right about the 2nd part but no need to call him an idiot. Its his driving instructor's fault and the fault of the system in the republic.
rogieop wrote: » you are an idiot. Hand in your driving license. please. you make commuting to work a nightmare for people. You stay in the lane as far to the left as possible untill you need to overtake. once you have over taken you return to the lane closest to the left as possible. As long as you watch yuor own speed you need not worry about others.
TheChizler wrote: » That's a bit of a general statement. Its widely agreed that many of the speed limits are excessive of what would be considered safe. And there are many reasons why you would have reason to drive considerably below the limit.
Fuinseog wrote: » if you are driving at 100km per hour on the 100km per hour M50 surely the lane is not that important.
Fuinseog wrote: » although on the motorways driving at 120km I get out of the way for those who want to overtake me.
dukedalton wrote: » TheChizler wrote: » That's a bit of a general statement. Its widely agreed that many of the speed limits are excessive of what would be considered safe. And there are many reasons why you would have reason to drive considerably below the limit. As I said, I clock up a fairly high mileage and can't honestly say there are many roads with an excessive speed limit. (The Ring of Kerry being the obvious exception). What "many reasons" are these? I said in normal driving conditions. Obviously you're not going to be doing 120km/h during a monsoon, but other than that, why would you drive considerably below the limit?
TheChizler wrote: » Trucks, caravans, trailers, fully laden vehicles on country roads. Country roads in general, many of which are 80 and single laned. There are corners on 80 roads just outside cork that you shouldn't do more than 20 going round due to lack of visibility, and my personal favourite, hills labelled 80 that are so steep you can't physically reach 80 even in a reasonably powerful car.
dukedalton wrote: » TheChizler wrote: » Trucks, caravans, trailers, fully laden vehicles on country roads. Country roads in general, many of which are 80 and single laned. There are corners on 80 roads just outside cork that you shouldn't do more than 20 going round due to lack of visibility, and my personal favourite, hills labelled 80 that are so steep you can't physically reach 80 even in a reasonably powerful car. As you should see from my first post, my complaint is about people choosing to drive well below the speed limit and I'm saying if they don't have the ability to drive to that, they shouldn't be on the road. Nowhere did I complain about motorists not being able to go beyond the performance limitations of their vehicle.
TheChizler wrote: » Actually your first post said that if they don't have the ABILITY, which would include the car's ability, to drive at the limit they shouldn't be on the road.
dukedalton wrote: » TheChizler wrote: » Actually your first post said that if they don't have the ABILITY, which would include the car's ability, to drive at the limit they shouldn't be on the road. Em, no. When I said people I meant people.
TheChizler wrote: » Ok, but when you see someone driving slow you don't know if it's them or the car restricting them. What about the other situations I proposed, unrelated to car performance?
Fuinseog wrote: » I was driving a country road the speed limit was 100km and I was driving at 70km.
dukedalton wrote: » The speed limit is there for a reason. If you can't handle that, get off the road.
Fuinseog wrote: » I was driving a country road at night which was unfamiliar to me. there were plenty of curves and dangerous bends so I was taking it handy. the speed limit was 100km and I was driving at 70km and a car was tailgating me with his full lights on
N17er wrote: » A country road with a speed limit of 100kph ? Im afraid that was a major national road... Which was deemed safe to travel up to 100kph.
rogieop wrote: » you are an idiot. Hand in your driving license. please. you make commuting to work a nightmare for people.
dukedalton wrote: » If he/she doesn't have the ability to drive to the speed limit then he/she should not be on the road. Simple as that. I do a fair bit of mileage and the most infuriating thing is to see someone plodding along at half the limit in normal driving conditions. This to me is as dangerous as someone speeding, because it can get the person behind frustrated into attempting an overtaking maneuver they shouldn't carry out. The speed limit is there for a reason. If you can't handle that, get off the road.
dukedalton wrote: » As I said, I clock up a fairly high mileage and can't honestly say there are many roads with an excessive speed limit. (The Ring of Kerry being the obvious exception). What "many reasons" are these? I said in normal driving conditions. Obviously you're not going to be doing 120km/h during a monsoon, but other than that, why would you drive considerably below the limit?
Shenshen wrote: » Becasue you're not familiar with the road? I agree that this wouldn't obviously be a reason on a motorway, but if someone from Galway is driving down a country lane in East Cork, chances are the person is not familiar with the twists and turns, and so is likely not to do the speed limit, especially if that limit is above 60. They could also well be lost and/or looking for somewhere (a turnoff they need to take but don't know when to exptect, an address, somewhere safe to turn around if they need to?)
Shenshen wrote: » I drive a road every morning and evening with a speed limit of 80km/h. There are 2 very tight turns on this road, one around 100degrees and one 160degrees, I would estimate. The second one turns you from going straight east to near enough straight west once you're around it. I, and I'm happy to say most people on this road, will slow down to around 50-60 on both those turns. Most, not all though. A good few people got killed on either of these bends in the past. The speed limit is an upper limit. It is not, and I repeat NOT any indication what might be a safe speed for the road you are traveling on. On many Irish road, it's more of a dare than anything else, really.
summerskin wrote: » Ok, so they should pull over to let other cars pass. That's what I do when I'm driving slower than usual in a strange place. Respect the other cars on the road, don't expect them all to respect you just because you are lost and slowing them down.
summerskin wrote: » The older drivers are the most selfish, and most incompetent, I have ever seen.
Shenshen wrote: » Again, you assume that's possible. The roads I drive each morning and evening were not originally designed with cars in mind, and there simply is nowhere to pull over in a 20 km stretch. But to make up for that, the roads are more bendy and twisting than a Fianna Fail minister.
Iwannahurl wrote: » Road hogs are annoying, that's for sure. What age qualifies as an "older" driver? Are you suggesting those older drivers are more dangerous on Irish roads, and if so can you point to some hard stats to support that view?
dukedalton wrote: » I've said this about three times already on this thread, but I'll say it again: It's blindingly obvious to anyone with half a brain that you should slow down around corners!!! I'm not coming on here to vent my fury about people who drive at a reasonable speed then slow down to go around a bend! You know why? Because I do it too! I slow down when I come to a corner! Believe it or not, I don't want to end up in a ditch! Now, hopefully that has cleared that up for everyone. Right, next point: you say that the speed limit on a road is "an upper limit...not an indication of what might be a safe speed for the road you are travelling on". Well, we'll have to disagree on that. Why do the RSA put a speed limit on a road? To indicate to the driver the maximum speed at which it is safe to travel. So, if the RSA judge it to be a safe speed, I fail to see why some drivers (in normal driving conditions) take it upon themselves to slow up everyone behind them by going at some arbritary speed. Think back to your driving test. Remember the category "making good progress"? Why is that on the test? To get people to drive at the indicated road speed, not some speed you judge yourself.
summerskin wrote: » So there are no turn-offs, no driveways, no lay-bys, no stretch of road wide enough for two cars in a 20km stretch? Where are, you, Narnia? Utter nonsense.
dukedalton wrote: » Why do the RSA put a speed limit on a road? To indicate to the driver the maximum speed at which it is safe to travel.
Shenshen wrote: » There are plenty of turn-offs. But tell you what, if I'm looking to find a route I've been given as instructions to find a place, I will not take a turn-off and get lost entirely just because someone behind me wants to go 10kph faster. And no, there are no driveways. I don't know how familiar you are with the roads around Cobh and Fota island, but for the most part they have hedges/walls on one side and the bay/river on the other.
dukedalton wrote: » He's talking about his own personal experience, "what I have seen". He's not talking in statistics. I would have to agree with him, based on what I've seen. I've seen at least as many older drivers driving dangerously slowly as I have other drivers driving too fast.
Iwannahurl wrote: » Really? I thought it was a general upper limit set out in law, but subject to other criteria. In this country at least, speed limit signs are not placed before every bend, negative camber, uneven surface or other potentially adverse feature of every road, and the posted limit may apply to a long stretch of road with parts that merit slowing down a bit. Does that mean that the posted speed limit is "safe" at every point along the way in all situations (not just at bends)? "A speed limit is defined as the maximum that you may travel on any road, when conditions are perfect. It is not a target. When you are faced with adverse weather, road or traffic conditions, the most effective way to keep safe is to slow down and give yourself more time to adapt to all that is happening around you." ~Garda Commissioner Martin Callinan, July 2012.
summerskin wrote: » So you couldn't just pull in where there's a turn-off and let someone pass? Also if you drive these roads every day, how the hell are you going to get lost???? Do you not know the area where you live/commute daily?
