Millicent wrote: » Fair enough. I see you've decided you don't want to talk to me properly so there's probably no point in responding to you, is there?
OldNotWIse wrote: » There's more than one person in Ireland who does not want abortion here you know. Perhaps thats what he meant?
eviltwin wrote: » This is getting ridiculous now :rolleyes: Honestly I don't need anyone preaching to me, I don't know what the future holds. I didn't do anything wrong, I know I did the right thing for me, I thought long and hard about it and made sure of that.
Sponge25 wrote: » Seriously? Wouldn't it be alot better giving the child up for adoption than aborting it!?
Gurgle wrote: » With proper support and counseling, she should feel like a hero.
eviltwin wrote: » This is what I don't get. How can you just dismiss someone totally on the basis of one thing they do? Women who have abortions are not going around with horns, they are normal women, most of us know them but don't know we know them. Its awful to think all the things I have done in my life are worth nothing now in the eyes of some people on the basis of what I did on one day in my life. As for the woman you are describing maybe she regrets it, maybe she wishes she hadn't done it. Maybe she could do with some support.
eviltwin wrote: » But that is the whole point Sponge. I'm married therefore adoption is not an option for me. I cannot legally put any child I have up for adoption.
up for anything wrote: » Perhaps then he should have phrased it differently. It sounded like he was trying to convince us/himself that he had the moral majority behind him.
Yep, unless the High Court decides otherwise.
it's a procedure to remove a physical growth which isn't alive. If that's the case why the need for counseling?
OldNotWIse wrote: » It's not my job to support someone who has made a bad decision. I'm not a social worker. I'm not a therapist. If I am uncomfortable in someone's company because something they have done really goes against my relief system, I am entitled to distance myself.
OldNotWIse wrote: » I was simply answering a question you asked me. Is that ok with you?
Sponge25 wrote: » Oh, I honestly didn't know! I thought married people could give a baby up for adoption. I don't see the sense in it being illegal. Ofcourse giving babies constantly up for adoption would be reprehensible but a once off should be allowed. Is it hard for people to get an adopted baby or is their loads of them trying to find home in Ireland? Like is their a shortage of babies? Don't want to make them sound like a commodity
Of course giving babies constantly up for adoption would be reprehensible but a once off should be allowed.
Sponge25 wrote: » Edit: Eviltwin, I wouldn't dismiss someone on the basis off one action if it wasn't extremely cruel, i'm sorry for saying it's depraved etc. It's just something that makes me angry!
Millicent wrote: » Besides the last post accusing me of "bleating" and giving a monosyllabic answer to a genuine question, while painting an earlier post as hysterical, I'm just a bit baffled as to the aggressiveness when I had actually tried to change tack with you and have a respectful conversation. That's okay with me if that's what you want; it's just a pity.
LeeHoffmann wrote: » Where does it say that? I didn´t find it
LeeHoffmann wrote: » So if somebody doesn´t want to have a child, they should become celibate?
eviltwin wrote: » Its okay that it makes you angry, I can't find fault with that. And honest I'm not a monster, I'm actually quite a nice person really
Millicent wrote: » But in all sincerity, is it not better that she didn't have the child rather than a child be born that knows it is resented and unwanted? Because in a lot of cases, the child would definitely know, whether the mother admitted it or not, because of how he/she was treated throughout their life.
Fizzlesque wrote: » A hero? Do you reckon? Such self congratulatory emotions have never made their prescence felt in the 24 years I've struggled to come to terms with handing my baby to another woman. No amount of counselling will ever make me feel like a hero - some wounds never heal; 24 years and I still cry like a wounded animal when I think about the worst decision I ever made. I no longer cry every day, like I did at the start, but feeling like a hero, hmmmm...I'd be happy to stop feeling full of guilt and always carrying a knot of pain in my heart.
Sponge25 wrote: » No they should be responsible. People who have multiple pregnancies who don't want a baby are an excuse for a human being. Me and my ex were together for 6 years, we didn't want a baby and she never got pregnant once, been with my gf now for a year and she hasn't got pregnant. I'm the most fertile man in Ireland (haha) so why can't everyone else be resposible like me?
eviltwin wrote: » So its irrelevant to you how the abortion came about? Just the fact she's done it means she is no longer someone you want to talk to. You won't even take the time to try and find out if she did it under pressure or how she feels about it now. Supporting someone doesn't have to involve making them "better", its just about being there as a friend.
Mickeroo wrote: » Contraception isn't 100% reliable, accidents can happen. Who are these brazen hussies having multiple pregnancies though?
Zulu wrote: » And if you ask those children would they rather be dead, you think they'd say yes? :rolleyes: Come off it. ...aside from the fact that you make the assumption that the parents would resent the child after it was born, which is a significant leap.There's a lot of "unwanted" "surprise" children who grew up in loving homes.
Zulu wrote: » And if you ask those children would they rather be dead, you think they'd say yes? :rolleyes: Come off it. ...aside from the fact that you make the assumption that the parents would resent the child after it was born, which is a significant leap. There's a lot of "unwanted" "surprise" children who grew up in loving homes.
Sponge25 wrote: » Maybe once, but 3-4-5 times?
