purplepanda wrote: » My views are that terminations should only be allowed under 12 weeks or even preferably less, unless in very exceptional circumstances. I know people now in their early '70's who still feel pain & even guilt over this issue . I think there should be proper unbiased advice from both perspectives beforehand in any case. Whilst I think abortion is wrong, it will happen anyway as many women will just leave Ireland & go overseas for the procedure. Or else maybe attempt to carry it out themselves or with others. Even David Steel, the MP who passed the British law in 1967, has said he didn't expect the numbers of terminations to be as high as they have been for the last few decades. The numbers of abortions in many countries are far too high IMO There also needs to be proper birth control policies, like the Dutch & Scandinavian models to drastically reduce unwanted pregnancy. So abortion yes, with restrictions, 12 weeks maxinum, not on demand up until 24 weeks or more. Combined with a forthright birth control policy. I would not vote yes given a choice, for the current laws in many western countries.
Gurgle wrote: » Please elaborate?
eviltwin wrote: » With all due respect you don't know the reasons and I don't want to go into them here. All I will say is that things changed early on in the pregnancy and we thought about what our options are and chose abortion because it was the best choice for us at that time I have lost a dear friend as a result of this, someone I know well who I thought would understand didn't and that's fine, I think everyone needs to do what they need to do and I don't have any hard feelings over it. The thing is though more than likely you know people who have been there, its just that most people don't talk about it. I can't help if you think I'm evil and to be honest I don't really care. The people who matter most to me know and have never judged and that's really all that matters to me.
Sponge25 wrote: » Why would you do something with the possibility of procreation if that's not what you wanted? I don't want to have a baby yet but I would be really happy if my gf get pregnant, so that's why we have sex. If she would abort the baby if she got pregnant believe me, we wouldn't have sex but she wouldn't.
If I knew you and was very fond of you for all my life and I found out you had an abortion i'd never speak to you again. It's the HIEGHT of negligence and selfishness. I can scarcely think of something more evil and depraved!
Sponge25 wrote: » I don't think you're evil but I think it was a highly selfish decission. People who have multiple abortions are most certainly psychopathic in my opinion! Lack of empathy is the hallmark of the sociopath!
eviltwin wrote: » I can't help if you think I'm evil and to be honest I don't really care.
eviltwin wrote: » With all due respect you don't know the reasons and I don't want to go into them here. All I will say is that things changed early on in the pregnancy and we thought about what our options are and chose abortion because it was the best choice for us at that time
Millicent wrote: » So you want psychopaths to have more kids, is your position here? 0.o
Sponge25 wrote: » Ofcourse not, I don't control who has kids and who doesn't but I most certainly don't want them being aborted!
Sponge25 wrote: » Shouldn't a mother do what's best for their child at the time!?
AnonoBoy wrote: » This thread has been on the go for a while now......... so have we sorted out ths issue yet guys?
Jaxxy wrote: » No contraception is 100% effective. Accidents happen. Just as a matter of interest, did you ask your girlfriend before you had sex for the first time what her views on contraception/abortion/pregnancy were? You don't agree with abortion, fair enough. But not to support someone or to never speak to someone you care about or are "fond of" ever again because they did something you disagree with? Well, IMO, that individual would be better off without you in their life anyway. You are not superior because of your opinion by the way. EDIT: It is you who are the one showing a serious lack of empathy here. Nowhere in this thread has someone stated that having multiple abortions as a method of contraception is a normal occurrence. What was being discussed here is the notion that counselling should not be made available to those who have had abortions. And later, as a consequence, the merits of allowing abortions to women in certain circumstances.
Gurgle wrote: » Yeah, all sorted. We've conclusively established that we can't agree on how many cells are required for human rights.
OldNotWIse wrote: » ...and that really, nobody is actually going to change their views anyway
Sponge25 wrote: » I have alot of empathy for good people! I'd support my friend with anything regardless of how badly it affected me, I care about good people just as much as myself but theirs certain things that I cannot accept; It's not one of those things I could change my opinion on, I can't help how I feel. I feel it's terribly wrong and highly selfish. Why not carry the baby and give it up for adoption! Like think about it, that baby could live to be 80 and have 5 kids and 25 grandchildren! I dunno how anyone can justify abortion except from unusual cases of medical emergency or rape. As I said, someone who is raped and carries the baby and gives it up for adoption is a hero to me. I would have NOTHING but respect for them. There's alot of couples out there who are heart broken cause they can't have a baby and they are sickened at people having abortions whilst they are trying so desperately to have a baby. So it is other peoples buisiness! Certain private matters do affect other people and hence are other peoples buisiness! Just give the baby up for adoption and let him/her have an honest chance in the race of life. We are one of the very few mammals who have such a disregard for our offspring. Rats are better mothers than some woman! Don't get me wrong, alot of woman are very good mothers and us men couldn't live without a woman, we wouldn't know what was going on if the woman dissapeared.
eviltwin wrote: » I was a mother, I had a child already and I will always put the needs of my children in the here and now, my husband and myself before any pregnancy.
Gurgle wrote: » You need to learn the difference between disagreeing with someone and judging them. Really? Click this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ Any day, any time, you'll find worse.
Sponge25 wrote: » Why not carry the baby and give him/her up for adoption and thus an honest chance at life? There's alot of men and woman who are trying desperately to have a baby and certain woman take having a baby in such low regard they have abortions. If your partner didn't want you to have an abortion would you have? If my gf had an abortion (which she most certainly would not) I would be heartbroken for the rest of my life!
eviltwin wrote: » Its not the duty of pregnant women to provide babies for childless couples. Having an abortion does not mean a woman is going to make a bad mother in the future or is a bad mother to her existing children.
OldNotWIse wrote: » I think Sponge is being deliberately inflammatory and troll-like, but if he decides that he is not comfortable being in someone's company that's his choice. I found out that a girl I used to work with had one and I distanced myself from her too. I didn't tell anyone, or shout "baby killer" or any of the other stereotypical responses, she didnt even know I knew, but for me, being around her was a reminder of how uncomfortable I am with the whole situation and I felt a little...queasy or something, I dont know. Perhaps it was judgement. But it is still my perogative to distance myself from someone who I do not like, and who reminds me of something that is, IMO, so wrong with the world.
eviltwin wrote: » My partner did support the decision, we decided together. You make it sound like adoption is a nice easy solution. I don't think it is. I wasn't prepared to risk the mental issues that would come with that and I wasn't prepared to have to deal with the stigma of being a woman who "gave away" her baby and the ensuing judgement which I would have faced.
We are one of the very few mammals who have such a disregard for our offspring. Rats are better mothers than some woman!
If your partner didn't want you to have an abortion would you have? If my gf had an abortion I would be heartbroken for the rest of my life!
OldNotWIse wrote: » That's a bit OTT. It's not like childless couples are going around impregnating unsuspecting women against their wishes. But if women want to be allowed to treat their unborn essentially, as something to be discarded, then does it not make sense for someone to argue, "well, hang on, if you dont want it can I have it?". I met a homeless guy a while ago who told me he had seen a well known cafe/snaack bar throwing out food at the end of the day (perfectly good sandwiches etc) and he asked if he could have one bc he was starving and they threw them in the bin in front of him. Cue onslaught of "gestating a baby is not like making a sandwich" but I'm just showing another (less extreme) example of the "I dont want it but I dont want anyone else to have it" mentality (actually I'm pretty sure I had an ex like that lol)
