tomtherobot wrote: » I'm sorry if i've offended any holy joe's or nazi fembots. Please let us hear what u got to say.....
cassi wrote: » The thread title is a load I crap. No one Is saying that abortion is ok! But thankfully many people are past the age old caveman mindset that ALL women that have abortions are sluts that are looking for a way out. There are a barrel load of reasons that women choose abortion. Not all of them the easy way out as the op seems believe. And equating pro choice to thinking its okay to kiddy fiddle is just embarrassing as a counter argument. Perhaps if pro lifers could actually make debates without resorting to pettiness or god or killing then these debates may actually go somewhere!!
LizT wrote: » Why not? What qualifies you to say what's a legitimate basis for any woman to get an abortion?
tomtherobot wrote: » Again, i chose not to abuse kids, but if somebody else wants to fine. We call all see that for all intents and purposes this stance would be pro-pedophilia. I just want to reiterate and clarify that i would not consider the decision to chose a child most likely to die over a mother most likely to live as abortion. This is a tough medical decision and shouldn't be hijacked by the abortion as convenience brigade.
Read this article, and don't just rule it out because its on a youth defence website.
suicide_circus wrote: » I don't think anyone can legitimately argue against abortion for cases of rape or danger to the woman's life.
Abortion is never medically necessary and to say it is is just a down right lie! No medical illness is cured by abortion. If a pregnant woman becomes pregnant the doctor will treat the mother and do his/her best to save the unborn child. Sometimes they are successful, and sometimes they are not. Then procedure's such as a D&C need to performed to remove the dead unborn child. This is widely performed in this country and is not an abortion. Read this article, and don't just rule it out because its on a youth defence website. Its a very interesting article.http://www.youthdefence.ie/latest-ne...y-to-save-mom/ So that's cancer ruled out. As for pre-eclampsia and ectopic pregnancies again the doctors will do all they can to save both but will intervene if the mother's life is in danger. Again this is a medical treatment, not an abortion. Pro choice groups dont mention this though as it destroys their whole campaign as they know alot of women don't realise these facts. Professor emeritus (amoug other OB GYN's) have been quoted saying that there is no risk to the mother that can be avoided by abortion.
eviltwin wrote: » One day Tom you might find yourself in a situation where a woman you impregnate decides to abort your baby. You might not want that to happen but if it does you might be glad of post abortion counselling. Plenty of women who have abortions do so under pressure from family, partners or society. Sometimes they end up regretting it and once its happened no amount of making her feel bad is going to change that. Why not just allow those people who want it to have it.
humanji wrote: » link to a site from a group that openly lie and cheat to trick people into agreeing with them, and as such you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who'd be able to view anything they report without severe scepticism.
tomtherobot wrote: » That's fine but it's not really a pro-abortion debate. I can absolutely see why you would need counseling if you felt an abortion was pressured on you or your partner but if you freely made the decision how can you demand state-subsidized counseling? I've seen people torn apart because they later acknowledge they did the wrong thing in having an abortion or because their partner had one without telling them or giving them any choice in the matter. Of course these people's should have counseling but that's coming with an acknowledgement of the harm of abortion.
eviltwin wrote: » One of the only face to face support group for women and men post abortion was set up by a pro-life campaigner, some of the couselling is offered by pro-life groups.
Irishchick wrote: » Can you provide proof of where they have lied? Nothing on that page is a lie. It's the complete truth that any doctor will treat a woman with cancer or an ectopic pregnancy and try to save the child. Every OB GYN will tell you that this is not abortion and to suggest so is ridiculous. In my opinion a lot of women are now wanting to vote for abortion as they have been scared into believing a doctor will not treat them if they become pregnant and then get cancer or suffer an ectopic pregnancy which is just wrong.
Sharrow wrote: » Yes but that mostly consists of admitting you've done an evil thing and praying for forgiveness.
books4sale wrote: » I can't stand pro-lifers, bunch of fanatical religious nutjobs. The same ones who believe in moving statues, apparitions and a sky man that supposedly controls all our lives. They are dangerous and backward thinking group of Jesus freaks. Ridiculous rubbish in the 21st Century! There is no such thing as a giant sky man who is going to send us all to a firey pit, grow up everyone! Bring on abortion!
Irishchick wrote: » Abortion is never medically necessary and to say it is is just a down right lie! No medical illness is cured by abortion.
Irishchick wrote: » Read this article, and don't just rule it out because its on a youth defence website. Its a very interesting article.
books4sale wrote: » I can't stand pro-lifers, bunch of fanatical religious nutjobs. The same ones who believe in moving statues, apparitions and a sky man that supposedly controls all our lives. They are dangerous and backward thinking group of people. Ridiculous rubbish in the 21st Century! There is no such thing as a giant sky man who is going to send us all to a firey pit, grow up everyone! Bring on abortion!
humanji wrote: » You genuinely believe Youth Defence have never lied? Really? Have you not seen the posters? Have you not witnessed their tactics on the streets, trying to guilt people into follow their wishes? Here's one example for you then: http://choiceindying.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/abortion-ad.jpg
tomtherobot wrote: » But what is it if it's not contraception? All's i'm hearing is it's complicated or it's a difficult choice, explain? If it's not killing and it's not contraception what is it? And please don't bring in these extreme medical emergencies that's very unfair on those people.
Sharrow wrote: » The ending of ectopic pregnancies is abortion, it is an abortion which is the treatment for a medical condition.
Irishchick wrote: » There is nothing on that billboard that can be described as a lie. You may not like it or agree with it but it certainly can't be defined as lying.
humanji wrote: » Yeah, the last line is a provable lie. And the poster itself is not an appeal to logic. It's designed to emotionally manipulate the vulnerable to do their bidding. It's propaganda and it's most obvious.
tomtherobot wrote: » Again, i chose not to abuse kids, but if somebody else wants to fine. We call all see that for all intents and purposes this stance would be pro-pedophilia. .
humanji wrote: » Yeah, the last line is a provable lie. .
Actor wrote: » Of course pro-choicers never engage in propaganda and the demonisation of religous...
Irishchick wrote: » How is it a lie? Abortion does tear some lives apart. The poster doesn't say it tears every life apart. If it did then that would be a lie.
humanji wrote: » Of course they do. But not to the level of Youth Defence. There's plenty of anti-abortion proponents who can make reasonable arguments and not base their arguments on emotional blackmail. These people are a hell of a lot more trustworthy than Youth Defence.
humanji wrote: » The last line.
Sorry just realised you meant the "always a better choice" part. That's not a lie either, it an opinion. Again you might not agree with it, but that doesn't make it a lie.
