GerM wrote: » Had a lovely one today where a girl came down the slip road of the south ring road in Cork and drifted across two lanes without ever looking across or in a mirror. I was in the middle lane and she came literally inches from drifting into the side of me at 100kmph, forcing me to swerve dangerously into the right hand lane and almost lose control of the car as it wobbled before managing to straighten it up. Car behind us had to jam on the brakes. She hammered on ahead, speeding, unperturbed as I beeped and roared at her. Was the first case of road rage I've had. Would have certainly gotten out of the car if there had been a set of lights ahead. It seems more and more crazy that someone can be fully licensed to drive without any experience of ever driving on a motorway.
GerM wrote: » It seems more and more crazy that someone can be fully licensed to drive without any experience of ever driving on a motorway.
SuperInfinity wrote: » Now if you have a minor incident on an industrial estate, it may be a devastating experience etc. and should be avoided at (almost) all costs, but at least afterwards you'll be able to park your car in an appropriate place, get out and assess the damage etc. If you have a minor incident anywhere near a motorway however, then depending on the area and time, the **** could really start to fly with hundreds of people being affected, and people may tend to lose the head, and this is why sometimes there actually ends up with there being ANOTHER accident after the first one.
SuperInfinity wrote: » I actually saw someone on boards arguing recently that people shouldn't be allowed drive on any public roads at all until they get their licence. :rolleyes: I'll try and find the link if you want.
grange mac wrote: » drivin yest a ****x in his x5 pulled out in front of me, i had to swerv to avoid goin into back of him....he then flashes and beeps and passes me in a rage...then brakes forces me to stop behind him....says did i realise speed woz doin i replied i did...woz bout 50 in a 40mph...i said he needed to go pull out rules of road about pulling out when there is a car coming from behind...also mentioned specsavers..lost the rag...said i will b reportrd for speeding...i said ill report him for dangerous driving, threatn me and gettin out of his x5 to do same....he said once he indicated out he fully entitled to pull out...i akways thought can onky proceed when safe to do so ....with me coming he knew it woznt but he just didnt like being passed....dont like people who think they own the road....this was aplace where trucks stop on a country road not a motor way....anythoughts...
SuperInfinity wrote: » I actually saw someone on boards arguing recently that people shouldn't be allowed drive on any public roads at all until they get their licence. :rolleyes: I'll try and find the link if you want. After thinking about the motorway rule, I think the reason for it isn't so much that they are afraid learner drivers are going to make mincemeat of the other road users as much as for the minor incidents and mistakes that some people are undoubtedly going to make. Now if you have a minor incident on an industrial estate, it may be a devastating experience etc. and should be avoided at (almost) all costs, but at least afterwards you'll be able to park your car in an appropriate place, get out and assess the damage etc. If you have a minor incident anywhere near a motorway however, then depending on the area and time, the **** could really start to fly with hundreds of people being affected, and people may tend to lose the head, and this is why sometimes there actually ends up with there being ANOTHER accident after the first one.
--Kaiser-- wrote: » People shouldn't be allowed to drive alone on public roads until they get their license. That's the way it is in most countries
Shenshen wrote: » Which countries do not allow learners on the roads at all? That's the first time I've ever heard of this. Most countries will insist though that as a learner, you're in a driving school car with an instructor. You're not allowed to drive with anyone else, or by yourself, if that's what you mean.
SuperInfinity wrote: » What do you mean "most countries"? I hugely doubt there is anything like that in most countries. Maybe you mean most european countries? Massive difference. So every time you want to go out you have to pay upwards of €80 an hour for the instructor and use of a vehicle. And this is all legit and has nothing to do with lobbying by the driving instructors etc, yeah right. What point is the "driving vehicle" for anyway? I mean what point could that possibly serve other than to make money? Also, most european countries have shocking drivers. So bad that a large fraction of the accidents here occur from foreign drivers.
SuperInfinity wrote: » What do you mean "most countries"? I hugely doubt there is anything like that in most countries. Maybe you mean most european countries? Massive difference. I'm sure in countries like Brazil they're all going to be going around in their instructor cars.
Muir wrote: » Doesn't seem to be that way in most countries from what I'm reading, care to share some examples? I'm curious how learners actually learn without being allowed on the road.
Elfinknight wrote: » Ireland for one. On your 1st, 3rd and subsequent provisional licences, you are meant to have a person with a full licence with you when you are driving.
Shenshen wrote: » I do think they could change that rule, though. Not to allow all learner drivers onto it, definitely not. But to allow learner drivers in driving school cars and with instructors by their side? After all, that's the way it's being taught in other countries and it does seem to work ok for them?
Elfinknight wrote: » Apologies Muir Came to it after I posted
TheChizler wrote: » That was changed a few years ago, now there always needs to be a supervising passenger before you get the full licence, even on 2nd learner permit, provisional licences have been done away with.
marshbaboon wrote: » My brother has the most incredible solution to tailgating. He slows down. Doesn't matter if he has somewhere important to be, he'll drive as slow as he can get away with, and feed on their tears of rage.
Neewbie_noob wrote: » That's a childish attitude to have to be honest. I agree that the speed limit, is as it says, a limit and not a target. I am a cardiac first responder, if you don't know what that is, I am on call 10 hours a week and if someone has cardiac arrest or is choking, I will be paged and go to the scene and perform the Heinrich or do CPR until the paramedics arrive. If that was me behind your brother, then someone's life could be at risk. As I mentioned, I do agree that the speed limit is a limit and not a target. When I am driving, I will do the limit, and not 1KPH more, but I would feel very uncomfortable doing a lot less than the limit. Just think that the person behind you could really have somewhere important to be and by deliberately slowing down, your brother could be delaying someone and it could have drastic consequences.
