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9/11 season.

kneemos

Looks like it's that time again the documentaries have begun,don't know about others but I still find it kind of facinating if I'm honest.

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dirtyden

Fromthetrees wrote: »

You gotta like the Brits when it comes to things like this, they were on the tube the next day after 7/7 with a life goes on attitude and nothings going to change or stop us.

Well they could hardly go back up the twin towers!

[Deleted User]

Overheal wrote: »

And I suppose you'll shut the **** up already about 1916 over there. 300 years, etc. ... eleven years.

800 years.

Shryke

Sam Kade wrote: »

Anyone know why Bush was smirking on tv after the incident

The only thing in his arsenal was to act dumber than he actually was, not saying he was a genius. Even when the worst event to happen in his two terms in office occurred all he could do was act incompetent. Don't read too much into it or you'll depress yourself thinking he was the President of the United States.

Run_to_da_hills

The Dagda wrote: »

9/11 happened in September.
Every 4 years there's a US Presidential Election.
In November.
September will always happen before November.

Documentaries reminding people of this atrocity.

Documentaries about the hero who tracked down and "killed" the terrorist behind this atrocity.

Wompa1

peasant wrote: »

I see the US propaganda machinery is working

German Mod? must resist easy come back.

I actually read more anti-American stuff and even though I'm in America the majority of news coverage here is left leaning. I don't watch Fox News..though I don't actually watch any news over here. I get all my news online from the likes of the Huffington Post, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera (English) and RTE

Wompa1

Shryke wrote: »

The only thing in his arsenal was to act dumber than he actually was, not saying he was a genius. Even when the worst event to happen in his two terms in office occurred all he could do was act incompetent. Don't read too much into it or you'll depress yourself thinking he was the President of the United States.

The events happened a few months into his presidency, how much of the blame can he be saddled with, at least for the events of the day. Bill Clinton had 2 terms before him and was one of the most intelligent men to ever hold the position...

keith16

Overheal wrote: »

You forgot the most important bit: First Responders. The people that either evacuated others out of Manhattan, or ran into the buildings before they collapsed to get people out, or the ones who ran into the rubble to dig people out.

One of the more interesting aspects of 9/11 to me was the immediate response, between first responders, the shutdown of air traffic, the boatlifts, etc. - it's amazing just how quickly and efficiently hundreds of thousands of people can coordinate with one another in an immediate crisis situation when most of the time people can't even figure out how to drive together in a straight line without killing eachother.

No I didn't

I agree and it is one of the things that stays with me from watching the documentaries.

Seeing all of them in the lobby of one of the buildings getting briefed and seeing the look on their faces is just incredibly humbling.

Altogether more chilling from many of the documentaries that I have wathced is hearing the radio communications of the guys saying "were on the 56th floor" as the camera from outside pans up the building (giving you a sense of scale). It's like hearing a voice from beyond the grave knowing they are climbing flight after flight of stairs to a certain death....heartbreaking

Killer Wench

Odd but I am in the US and I have yet to see one documentary lined up for 9/11. Of course, most times they air the documentaries on the actual date and only a limited number of stations do so. Right now, we are very tuned into the Democratic National Convention happening this week.

As for "milking" 9/11, I think it will fade in memories as we age and distance ourselves from the reality. Many people of my grandparent's generation remember Pearl Harbor and it shaped their view for decades; now that generation is walking on and it has been relegated to history books and documentaries.

MaxSteele

Overheal wrote: »

And I suppose you'll shut the **** up already about 1916 over there. 300 years, etc. ... eleven years.

Nah not really. It's an historic date in Irish history which changed the island completely. That would be 800 years too btw.

WhatNowForUs?

When are the abestos victims going to start to fall sick? There must be a few hundred thousand.

Shryke

Wompa1 wrote: »

The events happened a few months into his presidency, how much of the blame can he be saddled with, at least for the events of the day. Bill Clinton had 2 terms before him and was one of the most intelligent men to ever hold the position...

Not much. I didn't imply he should take any blame, I was only saying to another poster not to take anything conspiratorial from Bush's gurning.
Having said that you could look at the vested interests surrounding Bush as part of a continuing flow of representatives that supported US foreign policy in its extremes, and you could look at Bush Senior and his own actions and interests. But that's all in the wash tbh. No one can waltz into office clean and just wipe the slate.
Why mention Clinton though?

Killer Wench

keith16 wrote: »

- America getting kicked square in the nuts in their own back yard and how the intelligence agencies didn't see it coming

Great post. I just wanted to clarify this. Apparently the intelligence community had knowledge (as early as 1998) that there were groups within the US planning to attack using planes, but in their arrogance, they did not pursue it. Thinking it was not credible.

The Dagda

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Documentaries reminding people of this atrocity.

Documentaries about the hero who tracked down and "killed" the terrorist behind this atrocity.

On European TV.
European's can't vote in the US Presidential Election.

MaxSteele

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How are they harping on? They dont force foreign tv stations to put documentaries on each year. What they do on their own national stations is their own business.

I was speaking in general about TV and as the OP said the way a season is made out of the event.

Overheal

WhatNowForUs? wrote: »

When are the abestos victims going to start to fall sick? There must be a few hundred thousand.

They did. And there were many.

Infuriatingly their health issues were ignored for almost a decade, but a bill was finally passed in Christmas 2010 that saw that their illnesses and their affected livelihoods will get the care it needs with a fund that nears $5 billion over 5 years.

A lot of the reason it passed was some spot-on media outcry: at the same time a republican senate filibustered [blocked] a vote for the Zadroga Bill, it also passed tax cuts for people earning $200,000/yr or more. People rightly flipped over their fcuking tables, but I give the credit to Jon Stewart [The Daily Show] for whistleblowing on the media keeping quiet about it for weeks. He spent about 3 straight nights going all out about it, culminating in a special where he brought terminally ill first responders onto the program... and then as if by magic, the media started reporting about it with fervor. C*nts; and that's why I stopped watching television.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-december-16-2010/9-11-first-responders-react-to-the-senate-filibuster [get your IP on]

Run_to_da_hills

The Dagda wrote: »

On European TV.
European's can't vote in the US Presidential Election.

Did I mention that these documentaries were exclusively for European TV? :rolleyes:

What you see here will no doubt these will be flogged to death on US Sat channels.

PGA2020

Wtf....... I can't even find ONE documentary over here! And about Bush, he actually lives in my friends neighbor hood in the middle of Dallas. They have it blocked off, but not the whole neighborhood, just his full street with huge gates. No pin code. Just all sorts of finger print, picture, and crap.... glad I'm no where near him!

keith16

Killer Wench wrote: »

Great post. I just wanted to clarify this. Apparently the intelligence community had knowledge (as early as 1998) that there were groups within the US planning to attack using planes, but in their arrogance, they did not pursue it. Thinking it was not credible.

You should read a book called "the new Jackals" by Simon Reeve

PGA2020

RikkFlair wrote: »

Those poor souls falling from the buildings still give me the heebie jeebies

Yeah, u wanna know an interesting story that will give u the heebie jeebies? My friends mom worked on the 37th floor of Tower 1 and was planned and suppose to go to work that day. Her alarm didn't go off that day and slept in my accident. She as heading out the door to go to work and BAM! It happened. She survived but for the rest of her friends waiting for her at work.........gone.

Ghost Train

So many different aspects to what happened that day, still hard to compute the whole thing, that something on that scale could have happened, do still find some of the documentaries interesting

kneemos

PGA2020 wrote: »

Wtf....... I can't even find ONE documentary over here! And about Bush, he actually lives in my friends neighbor hood in the middle of Dallas. They have it blocked off, but not the whole neighborhood, just his full street with huge gates. No pin code. Just all sorts of finger print, picture, and crap.... glad I'm no where near him!

Is that the house opposite the Simpsons.

The Dagda

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did I mention that these documentaries were exclusively for European TV? :rolleyes:

What you see here will no doubt these will be flogged to death on US Sat channels.

Something IS being flogged to death. :rolleyes:
It isn't these documentaries.

PGA2020

kneemos wrote: »

Is that the house opposite the Simpsons.

Exactly!

Irish Guitarist

I found the invasion of Afghanistan more unsettling than the attack on the World Trade Centre. The latter was perpetrated by a terrorist organisation which was seen by the world as a bunch of murderers. The former was perpetrated by the government of the most powerful country in the world and gained the support of many other nations. I found it disturbing that so many Americans (and other nations such as the British) seemed to think killing more innocent people was going to do any good. I remember seeing an American soldier on the news loading a missile into a rocket launcher. He had written something like "this is for the NY Fire Department" on the missile. It didn't seem to dawn on him that he was more than likely going to kill innocent civilians with the missile.

I also remember an article in one of the 'news' papers (possibly The Sun) with the headline 'Kabulseye!'. If they had joked about American victims like that there would have been an uproar but apparently it was acceptable to laugh at the deaths of people in the Middle East.

On the anniversary of the invasion of Afghanistan they should show a documentary about that countries victims and their families. The Americans don't have a monopoly on feeling pain and loss and it would be interesting to see things from the other side.

The_Kew_Tour

PGA2020 wrote: »

Yeah, u wanna know an interesting story that will give u the heebie jeebies? My friends mom worked on the 37th floor of Tower 1 and was planned and suppose to go to work that day. Her alarm didn't go off that day and slept in my accident. She as heading out the door to go to work and BAM! It happened. She survived but for the rest of her friends waiting for her at work.........gone.

In this documentary a guy who worked on 38th floor was 15 minutes late for work cause he was watching Monday night Football night before.

very sad, but compelling documentary on 9/11

best I have seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8ZmMtXQ3gM

PGA2020

So, enough of US (no pun intended, haha)...... does anyone know what the afgan's and iraquians do on this date!?!? Lol. Party???

kneemos

PGA2020 wrote: »

So, enough of US (no pun intended, haha)...... does anyone know what the afgan's and iraquians do on this date!?!? Lol. Party???

What do you expect?

Ristiano Conaldo

saiint wrote: »

if 9/11 was in ireland i bet we wouldnt get the attention it has now
damn yanks

Probably not seen as if it was in Ireland we'd be over 2 months too early.

Colmustard

Originally Posted by saiint
if 9/11 was in ireland i bet we wouldnt get the attention it has now
damn yanks

It wouldn't have been a nice way to get rid of liberty hall and the unions.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

I would have thought that the fall of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War as a much more significant point in history than 9/11 but it's not given as much attention nowadays. However, 9/11 was used as a pretense for two wars which resulted in the death of over 1 million people.