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9/11 season.

kneemos

Looks like it's that time again the documentaries have begun,don't know about others but I still find it kind of facinating if I'm honest.

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[Deleted User]

A full week of it, great.

Lapin

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I'm 18. Obviously on the day I was shocked but I got over it quickly and have been over it since.

Ah thats fair enough.

Nobody would expect someone of the age of 7 to absorb the impact of what happened that day.

Wompa1

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Im watching the program but it doesn't shock me (never really did tbh) I think it's interesting though. I still wonder about it though. Why did it take so long to fall?
I also hate the Americans "how dare they do this to us" attitude. Maybe if they weren't such scabs for oil it wouldn't have happened.

I believe the whole scab for oil allegations came out after 9/11 but think whatever you want.

That kind of remark is a kin to somebody saying well if the Irish weren't such scabs for potatoes maybe the famine never would have happened...how many of the thousands killed on the day were involved in importing oil?

kneemos

I'd have a bit more sympathy for them if they had'nt bombed the living bejaysus out of the middle east,kind of turned people against them I think.

Sar_Bear

Lapin wrote: »

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Im watching the program but it doesn't shock me (never really did tbh) I think it's interesting though.......

Unless you are under the age of 23, in which case you can be forgiven for not fully understanding what was going on when the attacks took place.

I simply find it impossible to believe that anyone mature enough to possess a shread of concsiousness at the time could not be shocked by what happened.

I'm 20, yet I still remember where I was, how I heard about it, watching it on tv, and knowing the severity of it.

Wompa1

peasant wrote: »

You betcha ...up until 9/11 they were showing Pearl Harbour docus every year

They still do. Also over here the History channel was showing some Irish based shows on St. Patricks Day.

peasant

Wompa1 wrote: »

I believe the whole scab for oil allegations came out after 9/11 but think whatever you want.

That kind of remark is a kin to somebody saying well if the Irish weren't such scabs for potatoes maybe the famine never would have happened...how many of the thousands killed on the day were involved in importing oil?

I see the US propaganda machinery is working

kippy

I'd love to see a documentary about hundreds and thousands of people who have died since 9/11 as a result of the "war on terror" to be honest.
9/11 was a sad sad day for the human race but almost every day since has been worse due to some of the decisions those in power made using 9/11 as an excuse.

Sam Kade

starbelgrade wrote: »

Your dad went to the moon and you became a terrorist?

He must've been really dissapointed.

His father died last week and he died 11 years ago

NegativeCreep

1ZRed wrote: »

I'm 18 as well and I remember that day very clearly. I was in 2nd class and we were stopped and told about. My sister's where in secondary school at the time and all the classes were stopped and the TVs were turned on to see the towers fall. I remember coming home and seeing it all over the news and the increasing progression of damage.

I was very young but it was still pretty shocking even then. After seeing that documentary last year which was so much more personal to the people, it did really hammer home how shocking it was which I obviously couldn't have grasped as easily either at that age.

Yeah I remember it well too. We were on a half day for some reason and came home and watched it on the news all day. I remember that all my mam could say was "wow" She kept saying it over and over

Lapin wrote: »

Ah thats fair enough.

Nobody would expect someone of the age of 7 to absorb the impact of what happened that day.

No I don't suppose I did quite grasp it at the time. Don't get me wrong, I feel for all the families and for the victims, really I do, in the same way that I feel for the families and victims of the many attacks in the middle east carried out by the Americans. There are two sides in a war and I don't see why I should be more shocked by 9/11 than I am about the many oil-fueled killings in the middle east.

Overheal

MaxSteele wrote: »

I wish they would just have they're annual 9/11 memorial day and shut the Fu*k up about it already. 11 years later and still harping on about it.

All that came out of it were two disastrous wars and an even worse reputation.

And I suppose you'll shut the **** up already about 1916 over there. 300 years, etc. ... eleven years.

NegativeCreep

Wompa1 wrote: »

I believe the whole scab for oil allegations came out after 9/11 but think whatever you want.

That kind of remark is a kin to somebody saying well if the Irish weren't such scabs for potatoes maybe the famine never would have happened...how many of the thousands killed on the day were involved in importing oil?

Troll much? I believe it was blight that caused the famine and not our love of potatoes.

Overheal

This documentary only came out in the last year, if you haven't seen it or it's not on TV. Narrated by Tom Hanks, short run time, but very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18lsxFcDrjo

Otherwise it was an aspect of September 11 I was completely oblivious to, but it's a great story.

Wompa1

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Troll much? I believe it was blight that caused the famine and not our love of potatoes.

Read what I was replying to...

Overheal

I believe it was blight that caused the famine and not our love of potatoes.

Depends on how you look at it. The Blight caused the potato shortage, the Famine was caused by the shortage of potatoes, in an agricultural economy that was heavily invested in potatoes and not enough of anything else.

kneemos

Overheal wrote: »

And I suppose you'll shut the **** up already about 1916 over there. 300 years, etc. ... eleven years.

A lot of us wish we would shut the f... up about 1916

NegativeCreep

Wompa1 wrote: »

Read what I was replying to...

I did. And it was a silly thing to say imo. At least there's basis for what I said.

Wompa1

NegativeCreep wrote: »

I did. And it was a silly thing to say imo. At least there's basis for what I said.

What's your basis? You were suggesting 9/11 was deserved because they were scabs for oil. Before 9/11 what wars were waged in the cause for oil? The first Gulf war in which they left? The UN had structured the oil trade agreements for Iraq. Please re-write history to make your point. Put forward some Facts to back it up, not just conspiracies.

krudler

Its probably the biggest "where were you when it happened" of this generation. I was on holidays in the Canary islands, was very hungover went out with a friend to get breakfast and saw loads of people crowded around a pub tv, walked in to see what happened just before the 2nd plane hit. was a real sense of what the hell is happening the world right now that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhhu5OjMf8

Its still chilling watching the live footage, its a clip you've seen countless times since but when you watch it in context with the news anchors narrating it as it happens it puts into perspective the feeling of confusion and that something history changing was happening on live tv.

Run_to_da_hills

peasant wrote: »

I see the US propaganda machinery is working

And its coming up to the US Presidential Elections.

keith16

Fromthetrees wrote: »

You gotta like the Brits when it comes to things like this, they were on the tube the next day after 7/7 with a life goes on attitude and nothings going to change or stop us.

New Yorkers weren't cowed by 9/11 either. They got on with it every bit as much as the brits did.

I think it's a popular documentary subject for a number of reasons;

- How the terrorists executed it. So many things had to "go right" for them for their plan to succeed.

- America getting kicked square in the nuts in their own back yard and how the intelligence agencies didn't see it coming

- The human interest stories. Thousands of different stories "she got fired the day before", "that guy who told his wife he was in his WTC office (but was really in a hotel room with some slag) as she witnessed the towers falling live on TV". All the "we didn't know what was going on - rumors that planes were going to hit buildings in Manhattan every 30 mins". The impossibly horrendous situation that the victims on the floors above the impact site and fire fighters found themselves in.

- How the buildings collapsed the way they did.

- All the conspiracy theories.

- Finally, the fact that it was so immensely spectacular. The image of the planes hitting the buildings and that of Manhattan entirely shrouded in dust is just incomprehensible.

The drama, for want of a better word, of it all is just immense.

For anyone getting sick of the whole thing, fair enough, don't watch them. But in my view, the US is entirely within it's rights to remember the event once a year and I do watch some of the documentaries on it in utter disbelief.

Using the event to shape their geo-political strategy since then is an entirely different discussion. However, hundreds of thousands of ordinary people were impacted by the events and IMO, I don't think we will see it's likes ever again.

krudler

The world changed that day, politics, foreign policies, sercurity measures etc etc etc. Flying has never been the same since and probably wont ever again.

Shryke

Wompa1 wrote: »

I believe the whole scab for oil allegations came out after 9/11 but think whatever you want.

That kind of remark is a kin to somebody saying well if the Irish weren't such scabs for potatoes maybe the famine never would have happened...how many of the thousands killed on the day were involved in importing oil?

Blowback from foreign policy isn't akin to a colonial genocide. No one cares to mention activities that the US engaged in that led to such backlash and anti-US sentiment in the middle-east. I don't agree with all the hate but don't lose the run of yourself with analogies.

LordSutch

Was watching a discussion about 9/11 on TV the other night, and one of the guests (a retired airline captain) suggested that the planes that hit the twin towers were not only remote controlled but that that they had been pre programmed in advance to hit their targets! and he came to this conclusion by stating that if you look again at the planes approaching you will notice that they do not make any wing adjustments before impact.
In other words the approaches were way too smooth for any pilots to achieve in the real world. He then used the analogy of driving a car on the bend of a road and always having to make slight adjustments to the sterring wheel in order to keep the car in lane (that's true), he then says that these adjustments were visibly absent on the twin tower planes. He also added that the Pentagon was hit by a missile which was slung under a military plane which looked a bit like a passanger plane, but it wasnt, he then went into all kinds of detail re the impact hole size in the Pentagon wall + the debris, etc etc etc.

Personally I take 9/11 at face value, hijackings Arab terrorists etc, but sometines I am fascinated by these kind of stories, specially when they are told by the likes of retired airline captians, who should know their onions?

The Dagda

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And its coming up to the US Presidential Elections.

9/11 happened in September.
Every 4 years there's a US Presidential Election.
In November.
September will always happen before November.

NegativeCreep

Wompa1 wrote: »

What's your basis? You were suggesting 9/11 was deserved because they were scabs for oil. Before 9/11 what wars were waged in the cause for oil? The first Gulf war in which they left? The UN had structured the oil trade agreements for Iraq. Please re-write history to make your point. Put forward some Facts to back it up, not just conspiracies.

I didn't say they deserved it. I just think it's arrogant of them to think that there wouldn't be any retaliation after all their years of occupation in the middle east.

[Deleted User]

It's not why it happened, how it happened, the country it happened to, the wars that resulted from it that get a hold of me.

It's the utterly individual, personal agony that most of us just can't imagine, that people endured on that day that still takes a hold of me. Those people on the impact floors and above, the firefighters who entered into almost certain death, those poor individuals who felt dying by plunging off the buliding would be easier than whatever was happening on the floor they were on. It's the human side that gets me...not the nationality or politics behind it.

Sam Kade

Anyone know why Bush was smirking on tv after the incident

nice_very

a year already :O

if anyone is interested I had a thread last year a sort of "where were you" thread, if anyone is interested..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74234652

Overheal

keith16 wrote: »

New Yorkers weren't cowed by 9/11 either. They got on with it every bit as much as the brits did.

I think it's a popular documentary subject for a number of reasons;

- How the terrorists executed it. So many things had to "go right" for them for their plan to succeed.

- America getting kicked square in the nuts in their own back yard and how the intelligence agencies didn't see it coming

- The human interest stories. Thousands of different stories "she got fired the day before", "that guy who told his wife he was in his WTC office (but was really in a hotel room with some slag) as she witnessed the towers falling live on TV". All the "we didn't know what was going on - rumors that planes were going to hit buildings in Manhattan every 30 mins". The impossibly horrendous situation that the victims on the floors above the impact site and fire fighters found themselves in.

- How the buildings collapsed the way they did.

- All the conspiracy theories.

- Finally, the fact that it was so immensely spectacular. The image of the planes hitting the buildings and that of Manhattan entirely shrouded in dust is just incomprehensible.

The drama, for want of a better word, of it all is just immense.

For anyone getting sick of the whole thing, fair enough, don't watch them. But in my view, the US is entirely within it's rights to remember the event once a year and I do watch some of the documentaries on it in utter disbelief.

Using the event to shape their geo-political strategy since then is an entirely different discussion. However, hundreds of thousands of ordinary people were impacted by the events and IMO, I don't think we will see it's likes ever again.

You forgot the most important bit: First Responders. The people that either evacuated others out of Manhattan, or ran into the buildings before they collapsed to get people out, or the ones who ran into the rubble to dig people out.

One of the more interesting aspects of 9/11 to me was the immediate response, between first responders, the shutdown of air traffic, the boatlifts, etc. - it's amazing just how quickly and efficiently hundreds of thousands of people can coordinate with one another in an immediate crisis situation when most of the time people can't even figure out how to drive together in a straight line without killing eachother.