IvySlayer wrote: » Romney is the biggest flip-flopper there is, how can anyone seriously even consider voting for him?
Baggio1 wrote: » he was fine, if he made the same statement about barry soetero obama or whatever his real name is -- all the libs and trendies and mainstream media would hail it as a great fun performance... but once he says it about the clown obama? - welll you cant do that... thats not approved of by the brain deads who slurp down every bit of crap from obumma or whatever his name is but wait breaking news - gues what the gooood ol dems are having to open their convention ---its yur friends and mine the goood ol freedom luuuuving liberal.. MUSLIM BROTHERHOOOD,, yessss giving 2 hours of speech about everything they really do luuuuv about America ( and yes children they really really relally do luuuv America )hahahhahahaha but hey dont worry,, all the libs,dems and media will still clap and cheer for barry odummer and pat those brotherhood guys on the back and say "great job brothers"! ..
Baggio1 wrote: » DB21 oh such amazing humour
Colmustard wrote: » Agreed and he went on his European tour he offended the British the Germans and the Palestinians, The problem is Obama term has been abysmal, although not his fault, more our fault as in Europe's fault. So Americans feel he is the reason for the bad economy. The polls are split even both are on 46%. I can see Romney winning.
who_me wrote: » Exactly, the economy will really drag Obama down. Regardless of whether anyone else could do better (I've no idea) he's the president and thus it was his 'watch'. That said, the Republicans really do seem to be giving the Democrats every chance. Ryan is unlikely to win across many moderates/undecided. Romney's tax returns became an issue, regardless of whether there was anything to hide or not. The abortion/rape comments were just.... bizarre.
jill_valentine wrote: » I would have enjoyed this more if it hadn't come on the back of a couple of other rumours about Clint's declining mental faculties.
Colmustard wrote: » The problem is Obama term has been abysmal, although not his fault, more our fault as in Europe's fault.
Baggio1 wrote: » DB21 oh such amazing humour,, you just sit there suckin yur thumb and watch yur mainstream media and everything will be fine really .... oh breaking news,, obummer or whatever his real name is is headin to texas today probably for golf round 156 and romney is headin to new orleans to see the disaster, now i seem to remember back in hurricane katrina's day that a certain prez bush was screamed at and lambasted by the mainstream leberal media and all their trendy so called dem followers for NOT going to the disaster region and well his name was mud etc.... but oddly enough there hasnt been a word of condemnation of barry obumma or whatever his name is from any libs/dems.trendies or whatever... funny that... but hey dont worry "its not his fault" funny it never is! hahahahahaha
Colmustard wrote: » Definitely a Bush. History is good to Reagan he is now known as one of America's great presidents. I know it didn't seem it at the time, but he was instrumental in dismantling the iron curtain and opening up China. But he did deregulate the banks and here we are.
NegativeCreep wrote: » He really has no business talking about politics. He's an actor!
floggg wrote: » History is kind to Reagan? He's affectionately known by man as the Devil. His policies completely destroyed many urban communities, was directly reasonable for the spread of crack cocaine throughout America (as a means of funding the contras) and destroyed a generation of urban youth.
later12 wrote: » No offence, but is this not a tiny bit condescending? Europe is not the cause of America's woes, though we are aggravating it. The most pertinent cause of America's economic woes are the fact that human beings do not trade with Jupiter; the balance of trade is a zero sum game. In other words, America is having a hard time reconciling its position as a consumer with its desire to be a manufacturer. American Governments are the root cause of their own problems.
Colmustard wrote: » We are America,s number one export market so we suffer so do they and we are suffering and we are doing little to solve the uncertainty of the debt and Euro crisis. So we do have a lot of blame for America's woes.
Guy:Incognito wrote: » Whereas everyone on boards is a full time politician? Should we all only be able to discuss things we do for jobs? The various sports forums would be very quiet for a start.
NegativeCreep wrote: » There's a difference between a discussion and addressing a crown though in fairness.
ejmaztec wrote: » The strange was that he actually did think that Obama was sitting in the chair. :eek:
Biggins wrote: » I used to respect Charlton Heston till he became a complete gun nut also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1iuEcu7O50
Deleted User wrote: » Heston really got badly screwed over by that piece of propoganda that Moore made. The number of lies and staged moments is unreal and the film as it stands is closer to fiction than it is to fact. Heston, at the time was seriously ill and in no fit state of mind to agree to the interview. If Moore had any dignity or empathy he would not have attacked Moore in such a manner and worse still is the manner in which he manipulated the footage to serve his agenda. He blatantly edited it to make it appear that Heston was giving answers that did not match the question. Heston was a gun advocate, no one will ever deny that but he was not the crazy gun nut Moore paints him as. Heston was a civil rights activist and when El Cid was showing in theaters he routinely attened pickets of theatres which insisted on segregated seating. He also marched with Martin Luther King and was invovled with the civil rights movement long before it became fashionable. He had his faults and his political changes in alter life were a little out of tune with those of his early but at the same time he has always had a reputation of being a decent guy who would bend overbackwards to help anyone he could. That Moore sullied his name through creative editing and lies really is a shame.
"The film depicts NRA president Charlton Heston giving a speech near Columbine; he actually gave it a year later and 900 miles away. The speech he did give is edited to make conciliatory statements sound like rudeness." Um, yeah, that's right! I made it up! Heston never went there! He never said those things! Or.... The Truth: Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and said exactly what we recounted. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word – read the transcript of his whole speech. Heston devotes the entire speech to challenging the Denver mayor and mocking the mayor's pleas that the NRA "don't come here." Far from deliberately editing the film to make Heston look worse, I chose to leave most of this out and not make Heston look as evil as he actually was. Why are these gun nuts upset that their brave NRA leader's words are in my film? You'd think they would be proud of the things he said. Except, when intercut with the words of a grieving father (whose son died at Columbine and happened to be speaking in a protest that same weekend Heston was at the convention center), suddenly Charlton Heston doesn't look so good does he? Especially to the people of Denver (and, the following year, to the people of Flint) who were still in shock over the tragedies when Heston showed up. As for the clip preceding the Denver speech, when Heston proclaims "from my cold dead hands," this appears as Heston is being introduced in narration. It is Heston's most well-recognized NRA image – hoisting the rifle overhead as he makes his proclamation, as he has done at virtually every political appearance on behalf of the NRA (before and since Columbine). I have merely re-broadcast an image supplied to us by a Denver TV station, an image which the NRA has itself crafted for the media, or, as one article put it, "the mantra of dedicated gun owners" which they "wear on T-shirts, stamp it on the outside of envelopes, e-mail it on the Internet and sometimes shout it over the phone.". Are they now embarrassed by this sick, repulsive image and the words that accompany it? I've also been accused of making up the gun homicide counts in the United States and various countries around the world. That is, like all the rest of this stuff, a bald-face lie. Every statistic in the film is true. They all come directly from the government. Here are the facts, right from the sources: The U.S. figure of 11,127 gun deaths comes from a report from the Center for Disease Control. Japan's gun deaths of 39 was provided by the National Police Agency of Japan; Germany: 381 gun deaths from Bundeskriminalamt (German FBI); Canada: 165 gun deaths from Statistics Canada, the governmental statistics agency; United Kingdom: 68 gun deaths, from the Centre for Crime and Justice studies in Britain; Australia: 65 gun deaths from the Australian Institute of Criminology; France: 255 gun deaths, from the International Journal of Epidemiology.
Deleted User wrote: » Heston was a gun advocate, no one will ever deny that but he was not the crazy gun nut Moore paints him as.
Biggins wrote: » The fact that Charton Heston still held a run rally in Columbine just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy, says a lot. Moore I'm sure made his views/opinion plain to see - but some historic facts speak for themselves also. Let me be clear - Moore is known for twisting facts but Heston was/is no saint - like Moore.http://www.michaelmoore.com/books-films/facts/bowling-columbine
MarkHitide wrote: » "So, as we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed, and especially for you, Mr. Gore: 'From my cold, dead hands!'" Charlton Heston -May, 2000 How do reconcile your assertion with the the statement I have quoted (without claiming it was an acting gig)?
Deleted User wrote: » A few of the facts that Moore misrepresents are: • The Denver event was the annual NRA meeting, whose place and date had been fixed years in advance. • The NRA canceled all events (normally several days of committee meetings, sporting events, dinners, and rallies) save the annual members’ meeting, which corporate law required to be held. • The “from my cold dead hands” remark was from a speech given a year later in North Carolina. Moore juxtaposes it with footage from the Denver speech to make them seem like the same speech. • Moore splices together sentences from different parts of the Denver speech, cutting out conciliatory remarks by Heston and changing the meaning of the remarks shown.
Deleted User wrote: » He was heavily involved with the NRA and as such was going to stand up for what it beleived. I don't see any problem with his statement, he was standing up for what his constitution promised him.
Kassandra Most Cylinder wrote: » Dunno why the NRA should have caught so much flack for holding what was basically an AGM in a city ten days after a shooting. It's not like they promote school shootings.
later12 wrote: » No offence, but is this not a tiny bit condescending? The premise behind the scene - talking to an empty chair which perhaps symbolizes an aloof president, one of Obama's more surprising traits - was perfectly legitimate. Obama is the absent General when it comes to dealing with US unemployment. And also legitimate is Clint Eastwood's position in supporting the Romney campaign over what I would guess he sees as the lesser of two evils, especially in terms of the American economy.
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