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Local newspaper like Southside seems very Marixist

Chinasea

Every week there seems to be a picture slapped onto the front of the South-Side newspaper of a 23 year old "single mother" of umpteen children wearing a big sad face, because the wicked County Council are not providing her with "adequate accommodation."One week they published a story that a tenant could hear her next door neighbour's TV.

Now we all know that nobody deserves to live in a dump but, is there any personal responsibility going on, is there any recognition that a perfectly good council house/flat for €25.00 per week ain't a bad deal. 3 children at 23 and single is a bit of a mystery to me also.

No other news items seem to get center stage in these useless local (free) papers. Does Karl Marx run the paper?

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imme

You'd like the northside version even less OP, the Shinners are in it every week supporting the same kind of person that you mentioned as a regular fixture of the Southside People.

Annasopra

Lol @ the OP who obviously has no clue whatsoever what marxist means

juan.kerr

Chinasea wrote: »

3 children at 23 and single is a bit of a mystery to me also.

I didn't think they had this sort of person on the Southside. Are the 3 children from different fathers?

Abi

juan.kerr wrote: »

I didn't think they had this sort of person on the Southside. Are the 3 children from different fathers?

Yeah.. that one was a pile of wanky generalisations. There were two kids and no mention of different fathers. But lets not get that get in the way of the flamed torches..

the groutch

waulie_palnuts wrote: »

Shinners and Dole Scroungers take over local rag shocker...

great first post, can't wait for your second :rolleyes:

waulie_palnuts

the groutch wrote: »

great first post, can't wait for your second :rolleyes:

Groutchy Groutch Grouctherson.

ejmaztec

waulie_palnuts wrote: »

Groutchy Groutch Grouctherson.

Yes, Groucho upstaged Karl at every opportunity.

later12

Popular/ AH definitions of Marxism

The Lone Parent's Allowance
Occupy Dame Street
The concept of a 'social floor'
Single mothers
High taxes
The Labour Party
Stalin
Vincent Browne
Synonym for inefficiency
Abortion enthusiasm
Possibly Mental illness/ lunatics

What Marxism actually means
A collection of various social, political and economic doctrines esp. which may be derived from placing greater emphasis on (a) the value of labour over the value of capital along with (b) society's interests over those of individuals or oligarchs.

steddyeddy

mango salsa wrote: »

Lol @ the OP who obviously has no clue whatsoever what marxist means

To be honest neither do I

hatrickpatrick

It never ceases to amaze me that Boards manages to direct far more ire at ordinary people who abuse the system than at the elite which abuses the system.
Honestly, there are more threads on Boards bashing welfare claimants than there are threads bashing Sean FitzPatrick and David Drumm.

If I had to choose one group or the other to lock up and throw away the key I know damn well which group would be in for it...

El Weirdo

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It never ceases to amaze me that Boards manages to direct far more ire at ordinary people who abuse the system...

It's not even the ones that are abusing it most of the time. This thread being a prime example.

MaxSteele

Shryke wrote: »

Come back, I'll share...

You're into some expensive stuff. My dinner is potato wedges, I wouldn't afford a handjob.
Do you pay a lot of tax then, and does her existence anger you more than say the bondholder bailout or the ground up corruption and abuse that's rife in every facet in modern society? Did this poor sow knock you back?

Wedges are fantastic !

They both anger me equally.

Why would she knock me back when she can get another kid out of it ?

later12

MaxSteele wrote: »

Wedges are fantastic !

They both anger me equally.

Why would she knock me back when she can get another kid out of it ?

What's the going rate per child, €29.80 until the child reaches 14 years of age, is it? And about €35 in child benefit that everybody gets regardless of income? So in or around €65 per week?

And you really believe that an individual squeezes out sprogs for whatever change they would have out of feeding, clothing, entertaining and raising their growing children on €65 per week?

All these mothers living the high life from whatever is left over, are they? Helicopter rides, Cap Ferrat, and Moet & Chandon, is it?

All that work, all that crying, all that babysick, all that effort. Do you see that there might be a credibility problem with this notion?

Nodin

imme wrote: »

You'd like the northside version even less OP, the Shinners are in it every week supporting the same kind of person that you mentioned as a regular fixture of the Southside People.

Shinners defending wimmin with children? The dirty bastards....they should be proscribed.

Chinasea

I fail to see the need week after week to highlight the plight of what is, imo, the irresponsible behavior of adults who get them selves into these situations where they demand housing, entitlements, most of whom have NEVER and will never contribute to the society that they demand from.

The problem is the accepted trend. Moreover this given lack of personal responsibility, which in Ireland cushions you and automatically opts you out from ever having to contribute back in to your society, the very one that props up your questionable lifestyle choices.

Richard Hillman

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I am far from Left Wing but

I would like to see any of the critics on this thread step into that girls shoes and bring up two kids on their own with that kind of money at that age

Biggest mistake she made was being honest with the backward "system"

No, her biggest mistake was having 2 kids she can't provide for without the help of the state.

She messed up once. Fair enough it happens, but twice? really, twice?

SuperGrover

I'm not really keen on wedges at all. Too mushy. Crispy chips any day for me.

MaxSteele

later12 wrote: »

What's the going rate per child, €29.80 until the child reaches 14 years of age, is it? And about €35 in child benefit that everybody gets regardless of income? So in or around €65 per week?

And you really believe that an individual squeezes out sprogs for whatever change they would have out of feeding, clothing, entertaining and raising their growing children on €65 per week?

All these mothers living the high life from whatever is left over, are they? Helicopter rides, Cap Ferrat, and Moet & Chandon, is it?

All that work, all that crying, all that babysick, all that effort. Do you see that there might be a credibility problem with this notion?

I'll bite the bullet and say I over exaggerated the whole intention of it. But it's blatantly obvious the type the OP is referring to who make the same "mistake" twice or three times haven't a bull's notion of responsibility.

And we're not on about your average lone parent who works, get's an education and earns a crust for themselves. I'm talking about that minority who are straight onto the housing list with dole, rent allowance, the whole shabang. While daddy either draws the dole/works himself and claims residency elsewhere.

I know at least three couples like this and they have it quite comfortable at the moment, believe me.

Logical Fallacy

Chinasea wrote: »

Does Karl Marx run the paper?

I don't think you know that much about Karl Marx.

Annasopra

later12 wrote: »

Popular/ AH definitions of Marxism
The Lone Parent's Allowance

Occupy Dame Street

The concept of a 'social floor'

Single mothers

High taxes

The Labour Party

Stalin

Vincent Browne

Synonym for inefficiency

Abortion enthusiasm

Possibly Mental illness/ lunatics

What Marxism actually means
A collection of various social, political and economic doctrines esp. which may be derived from placing greater emphasis on (a) the value of labour over the value of capital along with (b) society's interests over those of individuals or oligarchs.

Steady on there - that's a bit too much education

Nodin

MaxSteele wrote: »

.........

I know at least three couples like this and they have it quite comfortable at the moment, believe me.

O look - a handy anecdote.

MaxSteele

Nodin wrote: »

O look - a handy anecdote.

I swear on my grandfather's grave

Nodin

Richard Hillman wrote: »

No, her biggest mistake was having 2 kids she can't provide for without the help of the state.

She messed up once. Fair enough it happens, but twice? really, twice?

How do you know she didn't have two kids that she could support until she lost her job? or was deserted?

Fran1985

Boombastic wrote: »

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Karl Marx is dead, so it can't be him

No he's not. My brother met him in the peoples park. They were havin something to eat. He gave him his manifesto. Karl was real nice about it and said he'll put it to the testo

anncoates

Chinasea wrote: »

3 children at 23 and single is a bit of a mystery to me also.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_reproduction

imme

Nodin wrote: »

Shinners defending wimmin with children? The dirty bastards....they should be proscribed.

It's always protest stuff that they're involved in Nodin, never constructive issues, never good news stories or community initiatives.

Grayson

I believe marx wanted the workers of the world to unite. I can't remembering him mentioning non workers?

I'm withholding judgement on that single mother case that was mentioned until I see exactly what she was assessed on and what the assessment criteria is. We heard it was because she'd admitted to getting 40 a week in maintenance, but we don't know what else she was getting or what the criteria was.

So she may be a scrounger who's whinging. Or the government could be picking on someone who needs help.

later12

MaxSteele wrote: »

I swear on my grandfather's grave

I swear on my grandfather's grave that I am a unicorn.

Neiggghhh.

Neigggghhhh.

Nodin

imme wrote: »

It's always protest stuff that they're involved in Nodin, never constructive issues, never good news stories or community initiatives.

I would have thought representing single mothers was a constructive initiative and good news in and of itself. Given the level of venom aimed at that group round here, its certainly good they do so.

Nodin

MaxSteele wrote: »

I swear on my grandfather's grave

How do I even know he's dead? Bringing anecdotes into arguments is very very rarely a good idea.