jamesbil wrote: » Hi all, I have an idea for an app that it calculator based, trouble is I have no experience what so ever!
jamesbil wrote: » I would think its a pretty simple app to build for the right person.
The idea would be to run it by someone who knows more than me to see if its a good idea and then to come to some arrangement. If its not going to be that sell-able, then maybe someone would like to do it for the experience or to gain a following by putting it up for free.
srsly78 wrote: » Ideas are cheap, programmers are expensive.
The Corinthian wrote: » So you have no experience, but you are able nonetheless to estimate how much work it would entail? I suggest you leave that to someone who knows to how and what to estimate. Unless your app is a runaway hit (which is very unlikely), it won't make that much money and even if it did, I can't see any developer (with an IQ over room temperature) agreeing to even a 50-50 deal with someone who has brought nothing to the table except an 'idea', which by your own admission is not even that original. To me, someone who has only an 'idea' and wants you to 'earn' sweat equity on it, is someone who wants commitment from others that he or she has not put in themselves - if they did, they'd have more than just an 'idea'. As to the 'portfolio' argument, entry into the app market is easy and a developer can easily develop a portfolio on their own - you don't even bring a company to reference, which might at least have been of some use to their CV. Realistically, unless some idiot is willing to help you out, I suggest one of the following, should you wish to bring your idea to fruition: Learn to develop and market (oft forgotten essential skill) an app yourself. Do some proper market research and/or raise capital, so that you have more to bring to the table than an 'idea', and then come back to look for a developer.
jimmynokia wrote: » Rather harsh comment for somebody who wants to try something,apps are the way forward today and quite lucrative.
I used to develop apps for symbian platform and if i was still doing it today id glady help him out
The Corinthian wrote: » Firstly, do you know what the average revenues for either iOS/Android indie apps are, before you make any claim as to how lucrative they are? Secondly, he does need some harsh comments, because at the moment he's in love with his idea and I can say from experience that in that situation a bucket of cold water is often the best way forward for him. Well there's a lucrative market...
The Corinthian wrote: » jimmynokia wrote: » Rather harsh comment for somebody who wants to try something,apps are the way forward today and quite lucrative. Firstly, do you know what the average revenues for either iOS/Android indie apps are, before you make any claim as to how lucrative they are? Secondly, he does need some harsh comments, because at the moment he's in love with his idea and I can say from experience that in that situation a bucket of cold water is often the best way forward for him. I used to develop apps for symbian platform and if i was still doing it today id glady help him out Well there's a lucrative market...
Kenny Logins wrote: » The idea is all he has. Give that away and he's left with nothing.
Ricky91t wrote: » I could be wrong but the majority of people never plan on making a killing with their apps, they just develop them for the enjoyment/need for one. Plus a full time job in any mobile software dev position pay very well so they really don't need to make any kind of money off the app, it's just a bonus.
jimmynokia wrote: » Picking at the finer details now are we.
The Corinthian wrote: » Ricky91t wrote: » I could be wrong but the majority of people never plan on making a killing with their apps, they just develop them for the enjoyment/need for one. Plus a full time job in any mobile software dev position pay very well so they really don't need to make any kind of money off the app, it's just a bonus. Completely agree with you. Profit aside, app development is as often as not about enjoyment, portfolio building and because the app does something you personally want. If it's a hit, then that's (very thick) icing on the cake for most of us. My point is that the app markets are full of sometimes well-written indie apps that no one will ever hear of and actually so making any substantial money out of them can be very, very difficult. This is not to say that it cannot, only that presuming that app development is lucrative ignores the realities of the market. jimmynokia wrote: » Picking at the finer details now are we. No, just doing a reality check; you claimed that the app market is very lucrative; and for some it is, but that's like saying that playing the lotto is lucrative because some people win it. Ultimately, unless you have some data to back up or at least qualify your claims, you're really just talking out of your hat.
jimmynokia wrote: » I said it's lucrative for some not everyone.
The point I was making is your giving the OP a harsh time with his idea. Unless you actually developed and app and work in the sector which I do I suggest keeping harsh comments or reality checks as you say at bay.
The reality here is people making rational statements that are pointless and another clean example of why things fail in this country .ie lack of support.
The Corinthian wrote: » No you did not. You made a pretty generalized statement: "apps are the way forward today and quite lucrative" - can you see any caveats that might suggest 'not everyone'? Yes and yes. And I said why my approach was harsh - sometimes you need a bucket of cold water in these situations; and I speak from experience. And I gave him very practical advice at the end - significantly more practical than anything you said to him.
jamesbil wrote: » Oops! Didnt mean to start an argument... I will start again; I have an idea for an app, I have no experience in developing, I dont know where to go to learn. Can someone tell me if learning would be feasible in my situation. Or does some one want to develop it with my help/idea/input? I dont give a damn if I dont make a cent on it! (tho extra cash no matter how little is always good). I just saw a need and thought it might be a good idea. Thanks to everyone who gave constructive comments and support.
jimmynokia wrote: » Ive actually said nothing nor suggested anything so thats utter bull.
jamesbil wrote: » Can someone tell me if learning would be feasible in my situation.
Or does some one want to develop it with my help/idea/input?
AhrSkidar wrote: » Do you mind me asking why, given that you're talking in such general terms here, you said earlier that it was going to be an Android only app initially? I'm coming from the iPhone dev side of things, and though there's absolutely no pot of gold in it I do think it has a more robust paid app market. Just curious.
The Corinthian wrote: » Ultimately, unless you have some data to back up or at least qualify your claims, you're really just talking out of your hat.
