awec wrote: » Er, it's pretty easy. :pac: If you are in any of Armagh, Down, Antrim, Derry, Fermanagh or Tyrone you are in NI. What's confusing about that? This is like me saying "ah y'know, that County Cork is a bit of a grey area. Where are the boundaries? Why do we have a county cork at all?" :pac:
fasttalkerchat wrote: » Not quite. Part of county Louth is within the PSNI patrol area on the A1 and has 60 mph speed limits. If you drive from Augher to Sligo you cross the border 6+ times.
awec wrote: » Louth is not in NI. If you are in any of the 6 counties I listed you are in NI. If you are not in those 6 counties you are not in NI. What is confusing about that? And again, driving from Augher to Sligo you cross the border 6 times. So what? What does that prove?
fasttalkerchat wrote: » That the border only exists when its drawn on a map.
awec wrote: » Like thousands and thousands of borders all over the world then? So really what you're saying here is that you don't think it exists because you aren't stopped at a passport control area when driving over it?
fasttalkerchat wrote: » The thread: "The Border/NI. Why is it there for some things, yet not for others?" I remarked that you can cross the border several times and not notice and that the border cant be defined by counties 100% accurately. I don't see what confuses you.
awec wrote: » Your confusion confuses me. The border is defined by counties 100% accurately. If you are in those 6 counties you are in the state of NI. If you're not in them, you're not. It is that simple. Because the PSNI can cross the border a bit in Louth is totally and absolutely irrelevant.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » For that purpose the border has slightly different boundaries. Mobile phone networks don't follow the border on the map either. You don't need ID to cross the border although technically you should have a UK visa to enter the 6 counties (unenforceable). There are a few examples where the border is a grey area or where it has no implication as has been mentioned in this thread.
awec wrote: » Why would you need a UK visa to enter the UK from Ireland? It's the EU.
slimjimmc wrote: » Hang on, are you seriously saying that parts of Co. Louth are subject to NI law and policing? The border follows county boundaries precisely so no part of any county (NI or Irl) can ever crosses the border. Of course roads don't follow the borders and do criss-cross but each section remains 100% the jurisdiction of the relevant state. There are circumstances where the PSNI and Gardaí can cross the border with permission and under certain conditions but that does not give either force any authority or patrolling rights when on the 'wrong' side. The political boundary and the policing boundary are one and the same, there is no difference whatsoever.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » There was a story a while back about Asian tourists being unaware that the Irish visa did not cover trips to Belfast and the North Coast. They plan to make one visa cover the island but unionists will stall things.
Mr_Spaceman wrote: » So it's the UK Govt's fault Asian tourists don't know basic visa requirements? Okay then.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » Who said that? If you are having difficulty you can enlarge the text on your browser or get someone to help you with the big words
Mr_Spaceman wrote: » That was your implication and you know it.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » I said that you don't need ID to cross the border but you do need a separate visa, not many people were aware of the visa issue and there are plans to end the separate visas. I didn't say it was anyone's fault that Asian people weren't aware of the situation.
awec wrote: » It clearly is two seperate states. Clear as day in fact. Different goverments, taxes, currencies, flags, etc etc, in what way can that possibly be seen as "not seperate" ? Is it because you can drive over the border and don't have to show your passport or something?
Feathers wrote: » In fairness, he said the boundaries aren't clear which they're not. Never mind tourists, as an Irish man the only reason you know you've crossed the border is when you reach the next road sign (lacking Irish) or speed limit sign (in mph). Not exactly a clear boundary.
Capt'n Midnight wrote: » Aren't there lots of comonwealth countries that the UK allow in , that we don't ?
OMARS_COMING_ wrote: » Is Donegal in NI?
fasttalkerchat wrote: » Probably the commonwealth would come into it. IIRC the same report cited people spending a week in England, flying to belfast and renting a car at belfast airport for a week, driving around Ireland before flying back to London to catch a flight home.The problem with this is that it is illegal to cross any EU border in a rental car. No one would ever know unless you're stopped at a checkpoint and they ask if you own the car so many people are unwittingly breaking the law.
awec wrote: » The bit in bold is simply not true. You can hire rental cars in Europe for one-way cross border travel for example.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » The speed limit is 60 mph about 100 metres into county louth. A country road off to the right has speed given in km/h.
fasttalkerchat wrote: » awec wrote: » The bit in bold is simply not true. You can hire rental cars in Europe for one-way cross border travel for example. I looked up this and it seems that there are some ways to arrange it. Maybe its just something that has to be pre-arranged.
slimjimmc wrote: » I'm fascinated to see where does the A1 encroach into the republic? Can you show us exactly where the legislative border does not correspond with the international border. Even google maps/streetview shows the 60mph sign and change in road markings occur right on the border.
gurramok wrote: » There is a slip road of to the left off the M1 which has NI road speed limits immediately but yet the border does not appear on the M1 for another 200m or so. Its weird as if the border was created right along the left side of the M1 kerb all of a sudden! Next time you drive on the M1 approaching the border, watch out for it
