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euro 2012 how safe will it be

3ndahalfof6

I was just watching BBC1 Panorama about Euro 2012 and how safe will it be for fans who will be travelling, some serious stuff on it which only happened lately,

racism and violence at a peak, tis not somewhere I would like to be going right now, most if not all games showing Polish fans giving the seig heil shout with the right arm straight salute,

it shows a group of Indian students at a game in the family section supporting the local team receiving a beating from the local fans,

so how many of you guys going over?

will shin pads be enough protection.

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Mr.Biscuits

Is Joxer going this time?

My name is URL

I wouldn't go if I wasn't white.. in fact I'm not going even though I am white.

squod

sokker

mikemac1

The English must be happy to be able to look down on other fans for once

The OP watched a BBC program
The Daily Mail has been lashing the Ukraine all today

I'm sure the other papers will do the same

3ndahalfof6

Domo230 wrote: »

Hmmm, a bunch of drunk football hooligans of various nations in a confined space.

What makes you think something might start off?

I hope your not lobbing the Irish with that lot we know how to drink responsible.

Sunnyisland

Do they not have these programs every time there is a big soccer tournament on,If there not saying the local thugs will kill you there saying the police will and usually you get the English fans thrown in somewhere for more effect.Just enjoy the games we be all grand :-)

leggit

I'd say it will be safe as I've seen the polish police in action before and they don't take any sh*t to say the least!

Media just doing a bit of scaremongering to raise the numbers in my view, Ukraine is much worse than Poland anyway!

hadepsx

cant wait to see the mayhem, takes away from all this fiscal treaty and austerity crap. how the organisers didnt see this coming is amazing. hope they're water cannons are good

Mr Benevolent

It'll be grand. Just don't talk about the swans.

The Internet Explorer

It'll be grand.

3ndahalfof6

leggit wrote: »

I'd say it will be safe as I've seen the polish police in action before and they don't take any sh*t to say the least!

Media just doing a bit of scaremongering to raise the numbers in my view, Ukraine is much worse than Poland anyway!

1 of the clips showed the polish police getting their batons melted, while being made to eat kenturkey fried smicken.

Duckworth_Luas

Will be grand! This is away section at one Polish club!:eek:

My name is URL

Domo230 wrote: »

I just wouldn't go cause football is shoite.

Well I'll be watching it

.. It's better on TV anyway, in my own experience. The atmosphere can be matched in a house full of giddy fans.

With regard to the issue of racism in Ukraine, I have heard some nasty stories.. even from some Ukrainian friends themselves. I asked one of them before if they thought Ireland was an overly racist place to live and yer man basically laughed at the idea that it was. Apparently many ordinary folk (not 'scumbags') in Ukraine don't even try to hide the fact that they dislike other races or ethnicities.

Having said that.. I've never been there myself or encountered a racist Ukrainian =/

Pherekydes

The Police guy from Kharkiv was deluded.

"No, that's not a Nazi salute, they are just pointing at the opposition."

Yes, and shouting "Sieg Heil" while "pointing".

DEFTLEFTHAND

I know Panorama like to stir things up and paint a bleak picture but the sad reality in this case is that Poland do have a dreadful problem with certain extreme elements in their domestic football support. If anyone is making the trip please keep yourselves safe and don't fcuk with the locals.

3ndahalfof6

Pherekydes wrote: »

The Police guy from Kharkiv was deluded.

"No, that's not a Nazi salute, they are just pointing at the opposition."

Yes, and shouting "Sieg Heil" while "pointing".

this is one of the reasons I would be thinking things will not go smooth, plus the police and official's at the different matches seemed to turn a blind eye.

mikemac1

Nazi salutes from the Ukrainians?

Copying the crowd who considered them sub-human?

What's going on

3ndahalfof6

mikemac1 wrote: »

Nazi salutes from the Ukrainians?

Copying the crowd who considered them sub-human?

What's going on

were the sub-humans not politely asked to move on only to be replaced by sub-humans.

token101

The irony of Sky Sports news talking about English fans being afraid of hooligans :pac:

My name is URL

token101 wrote: »

The irony of Sky Sports news talking about English fans being afraid of hooligans :pac:

Kind of like saying that the Irish should be afraid of terrorists.. laughable really!

kwestfan08

I'd say that Panarama doc was a little sensational watching it but I doubt it's without merit.

Advice for travel to the euros would for me the same as travelling anywhere, be cool to the locals, don't wander off on your own at night and be sensible where you bring stuff out like cameras, iPhones etc.

3ndahalfof6

I was surprised not to see a thread about this on the soccer/football forum,

would this be a section of boards with blinkers on.

The_Thing

For me the hooliganism is the entertainment.

dirtyden

Panorama dont like eastern Europe. Last week azerbaijan got it. Any recent problems at international tourmanments have almost invariably been English fans. I secretly believe they want someone else to cause trouble so that they can feel a little bit less like the pariah of international football support.

If they took cameras to a millwall game they would see something similar although it would not be as openly on view in the stadium.

I am going over for a few days and am really looking forward to it. Poznan and Gdansk look like lovely cities.

ArmaniJeanss

Roughly 2 years to the day since the BBC were running programs about how everyone was going to be mugged, kidnapped, raped and neck-tied at the World Cup in South Africa.

ballsymchugh

dirtyden wrote: »

Panorama dont like eastern Europe. Last week azerbaijan got it. Any recent problems at international tourmanments have almost invariably been English fans. I secretly believe they want someone else to cause trouble so that they can feel a little bit less like the pariah of international football support.

If they took cameras to a millwall game they would see something similar although it would not be as openly on view in the stadium.

I am going over for a few days and am really looking forward to it. Poznan and Gdansk look like lovely cities.

they only have to show some clips from the riots in london last year before the olympics to scare anyone out of coming to london in july to balance everything up.

Gee Bag

I'd be more scared of going to the Euros if they were on in England

DEFTLEFTHAND

dirtyden wrote: »

Panorama dont like eastern Europe. Last week azerbaijan got it. Any recent problems at international tourmanments have almost invariably been English fans. I secretly believe they want someone else to cause trouble so that they can feel a little bit less like the pariah of international football support.

If they took cameras to a millwall game they would see something similar although it would not be as openly on view in the stadium.

I am going over for a few days and am really looking forward to it. Poznan and Gdansk look like lovely cities.

In fairness the English have done a lot to stamp out hooliganism in their game, to look at where they've come from the 70s and 80s to now its been a quantum leap.

The problems in Poland have remained.

italodisco

I've spent a few years in Poland and have a small business in Warsaw and I can tell you that there IS a problem

token101

My name is URL wrote: »

Kind of like saying that the Irish should be afraid of terrorists.. laughable really!

No. It'd be like the Irish news running a big hyperbolic news story on the terrorist problems in say, the Basque region, all the while knowing that there was almost certainly a battalion of IRA heads heading over and looking to start a little war with them.