NI man mistake Italian flag for Irish

true wrote: »

the murdered members of his family were (I assume) law abiding citizens, unless you have any information that they were not? links?

I'm afraid I can't find anything court admissable to show that what his family were involved in was illegal. They were UDR members who had links with loyalists. It says that Bertie was a UVF member but doesn't mention being convicted for it.

Fenian Army wrote: »

His real problem is that there is a "catholic" school in the area, and by etension, catholics.

Wee Willie is a gob****e

Interesting Willie fact #15
Willie went to a catholic school!

Fenian Army wrote: »

His real problem is that there is a "catholic" school in the area, and by etension, catholics.

He actually went to a catholic school himself, according to wikipedia.

Fenian Army

Lordsutch, not surprised at his antics, always has been anti Irish.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

They were UDR members who had links with loyalists. It says that Bertie was a UVF member but doesn't mention being convicted for it.

Bertie Ahern was a UVF member too ? Thats hearsay as well.;)

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

For the record his father and some (if not all) of his family members who were killed were nasty pieces of work. The worst type of loyalists operated in that area. They would regularly pick up Catholics off the street. They even stabbed two protestants in Willie's pub in Tangragee for allegedly making negative remarks about a UVF man.

have looked up the web and cannot find any link to that. Wiki does say something altogether different though : "For a brief period, Frazer ran "The Spot", a nightclub in Tandragee, County Armagh, which closed down after two Protestant civilians, Andrew Robb and David McIlwaine, who had been in the club were stabbed to death in February 2000 by the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF), after one of them had allegedly made derogatory remarks about dead UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade leader Richard Jameson"

true wrote: »

Wiki does say something altogether different though

Ah the joys of public edits meeting gangs of xenophobic zealots. You should see the page on the Ulster plantations, it reads like an afternoon picnic.

I for one have no difficulty believing his family brought their woes upon themselves.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I for one have no difficulty believing his family brought their woes upon themselves.

so did those killed in the Enniskillen bombing. They should not have been there at all. And the gardai killed by the PIRA in Adara, they brought it on them selves too. Not to mention the Irish army soldier killed by the PIRA in Leitrim....they all brought their own woes upon themselves.:rolleyes:

woodoo

I listened to a couple of his videos on youtube there

my god but he is an awful bore.

true wrote: »

so did those killed in the Enniskillen bombing. They should not have been there at all. And the gardai killed by the PIRA in Adara, they brought it on them selves too. Not to mention the Irish army soldier killed by the PIRA in Leitrim....they all brought their own woes upon themselves.:rolleyes:

Would you care to list off the names of all those murdered by loyalists while you're at it? Or the millions put to death by the British? KeithAFC, come on down.

Oh wait.

None of these events emerged from a vacuum. I deplore the innocent loss of life, but I strongly doubt Willie's gang were among them.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

but I strongly doubt Willie's gang were among them.

and your basis for such a doubt is?

true wrote: »

and your basis for such a doubt is?

You're not going to find convictions or admissions from them. Its enough for me that they ran Billy Wright's pub, were UDR members, drank with UVF members (before the feud).
Mid Ulster Loyalists weren't at all inconspicuous. If you were in one of their pubs and one walked in everyone had to stand up. I'm convinced, you can make your own mind up.

true wrote: »

and your basis for such a doubt is?

List off the names of those murdered by the loyalists, as I previously asked. Even the number? Come on now, that must be fairly easy to find on wikipedia, that publicly edited source of information. You're very quick with your list of IRA atrocities, but strangely mute on the subject of loyalist murders. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect an element of bias.

And I am not a supporter of Sinn Fein or the IRA, as my posting history should rapidly reveal, not being a fan of dickheads of any stripe.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

If you were in one of their pubs and one walked in everyone had to stand up.

thats not how terrorists operate in the real world.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

. You're very quick with your list of IRA atrocities, but strangely mute on the subject of loyalist murders.

I condemn all terrorist murders and atrocities Do you think thoise killed in Enniskillen or Adare or Leitrim or Monaghan or Dublin brought it upon themselves?

true wrote: »

I condemn all terrorist murders and atrocities Do you think thoise killed in Enniskillen or Adare or Leitrim or Monaghan or Dublin brought it upon themselves?

I don't see their relatives promoting a half assed murderous ideology, do you? Answer my question please, how many.

Ruralyoke

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't buy into the idea that he is justified in what he does just because of what he has personally been through.

Waitaminnit.

That's a stretch - who is saying that? I'm certianly not & I don't see anyone else here saying that.

For the record, all I'm saying is that I can understand why he is what he is, that's all. I'll say it again - he's a total bigot, an idiot and mental.

But if I lived in an East Belfast loyalist enclave, faced intimidation/threats etc and saw 5 members of my family killed by the UVF...

All I'm saying is that it isn't surprising.

LH Pathe

Dear o dear. I guess we really do need to remove a little corner of Britain, from Ireland.. sigh. And not to stop until we have our dignity back because frankly they're dragging us down.

Awful, awful thoughts to begin with nevermind his behaviour and actions when you realize the mentaity this has instilled you get reminded it has simply got to go.

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I don't see their relatives promoting a half assed murderous ideology, do you?

not the point. Do you think those killed in Enniskillen or Adare or Leitrim or Monaghan or Dublin brought it upon themselves? After all, if Fraisers relatives had not joined the security services of their democratically elected government, they probably would not have been targeted by the PIRA?

Ruralyoke wrote: »

But if I lived in an East Belfast loyalist enclave, faced intimidation/threats etc and saw 5 members of my family killed by the UVF...

All I'm saying is that it isn't surprising.

+1.

true wrote: »

not the point. Do you think those killed in Enniskillen or Adare or Leitrim or Monaghan or Dublin brought it upon themselves? After all, if Fraisers relatives had not joined the security services of their democratically elected government, they probably would not have been targeted by the PIRA?

Oh is that what they did, link please?

And answer my thrice bedamned question.

true wrote: »

not the point. Do you think those killed in Enniskillen or Adare or Leitrim or Monaghan or Dublin brought it upon themselves? After all, if Fraisers relatives had not joined the security services of their democratically elected government, they probably would not have been targeted by the PIRA?

+1.

But surely you can't be condemning the killing or UDR soldiers while refusing to even acknowledge loyalist killings?

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Oh is that what they did, link please?

And answer my thrice bedamned question.

its well documented his relatives were members of the security services of the democratically elected government of the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

And whatever your "thrice bedamned question" is, I am not going researching some irrelevant fact on the net to please you, when you did not have the courtesy to answer a more relevant question.

Lapin

Immaculate Pasta wrote: »

KeithAFC?

Ghandee wrote: »

Speaking of him, where's he disappeared to lately

Has he been banned?

Unfortunately his Breakfast didn't go down too well.

You'd miss him around the place.

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

But surely you can't be condemning the killing or UDR soldiers while refusing to even acknowledge loyalist killings?

I condemn loyalist killings as much as anyone here.

true wrote: »

its well documented his relatives were members of the security services of the democratically elected government of the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Great, then you should have no difficulty providing a link. And yet here we are still waiting. Maybe a swift edit of a wikipedia article to fill in the shortcoming?

true wrote: »

And whatever your "thrice bedamned question" is, I am not going researching some irrelevant fact on the net to please you, when you did not have the courtesy to answer a more relevant question.

So you feel happy enough to point to IRA atrocities while completely ignoring the death toll caused by loyalists. What a nasty way of looking at the world.

Tell us, where are you from? North of the border perhaps? I only ask because there's been a rash of similar posters recently, from the most racist part of the world, a situation fostered by the "democratically elected government of the UK of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

Lapin wrote: »

Unfortunately his Breakfast didn't go down too well.

You'd miss him around the place.

He got the boot for that thread? Seriously?
That thread gave me a giggle and a craving for a fry in the morning

Richard

Dubhlinner wrote: »

This same clown went apesh*t before because he thought British passports in northern ireland had Irish on them.

Turned out it was Scots Gaelic and is on all British passports.

There is Irish on all British passports, it as all the EU languages, including Irish:

Ríocht Aontaithe na Breataine Móire agus Thuaisceart Éireann

http://moptop-moptopspitstop.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/how-to-get-passport.html

It's not as prominent as the English.

If Irish was to appear prominently on a British passport, however, it would be a good thing, as it would help remove some of the republican associations of the language that many unionists hate.

tipptom

I would sat wee Willie and his bereaved brethern had fairly staunch views about Catholics before any murders.