OldNotWIse wrote: » Sadly, those "terrible consequences" are usually for the defenceless, innocent child.
OldNotWIse wrote: » She wont get jail.If this was intentional then as well as being "suicidal" (and managing to actually not kill herself), she was also "homicidal" (unless of course killing an infant is not classed as homicide).
OldNotWIse wrote: » I dont think the fact that a male cannot physically gestate a baby for 9 months should in any way be used to absolve a female of a (perceived) crime.
hairyprincess wrote: » There's a lot more to pregnancy than gestation. But I'm not going to give a biology lesson in a failed argument. This is a tragic story about a mother and her baby, lets keep to that
bronte wrote: » When a woman gives a child up for adoption she has 6 months in which to officially sign the papers because she is not considered "sane" after having given birth. It's a massive physical and mental ordeal. The woman in this horrific story may have been in a dreadful mental state. I really don't think this is the place for a male vs female argument.
Shortly before 6pm yesterday, police received reports that a woman and child had fallen from the Stena Line ferry from Cairnryan to Belfast. The woman was rescued from the water shortly after the alarm was raised. She is now in a stable condition at the Royal Victoria Hospital.. A major search operation continued this morning for the missing baby. As yet there has been no sign of the child and now say they cannot confirm that a child is missing.
eviltwin wrote: » True but you have to look at it in context. Its not a simple as a blood thirsty woman wants to cause harm to a child for kicks, its far deeper than that.
Mr. Presentable wrote: » She should surely be charged with something. Endangerment at the least. But I guess her gender will preclude this. Funny how when you suggest an unreasonable woman is suffering with her hormones you are always wrong, yet when there's a charge to answer it is the first best defence
eviltwin wrote: » Post natal depression is a very real and very frightening thing...go onto any parenting website and read the posts from women who are going through it. And thats at its most basic...there is a condition called post natal psychosis where the woman can hear voices, can actually believe her baby is evil..its rare but not as rare as you might think and its very serious. Sadly so many women are afraid of admitting to it as they are afraid of being judged as being a bad mother so they hide it often with there terrible consequences.
OldNotWIse wrote: » I'm aware of that and I would not for a second class it in the same category as cold-blooded, pre-meditated killings but I am simply making the observation that it is usually the child who suffers the most (ie ends up dead)
DrumSteve wrote: » This is some bad ****. Hope the child is okay, but I'm not holding out hope.
eviltwin wrote: » Not always...it can result in suicide or self harming. Its rare that a baby dies because a woman deliberately kills it.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » I wonder if the childs daddy had gone over the side with the 9 day old innocent baby what would the reaction be here? Would it be "ah the poor thing etc etc or murdering b@stard?
CruelCoin wrote: » The baby is dead. The mother/woman was hypothermic during her time in the water. No chance the baby would survive much longer than that. Its a tragedy. They should resume the search, if only to allow the family to say goodbye.
OldNotWIse wrote: » really?
eviltwin wrote: » Well how many cases of a mother killing her child have their been? I can think of one or two but that's it. Its hardly a regular thing.
OldNotWIse wrote: » I dont need a biology lesson, and an argument is not "failed" just because you dont agree with it. You were the one who brought up the concept of pregnancy and birth affording women some kind of exclusive "women only" rights to an opinion on infanticide - I believe your exact words were, "when men carry babies in their womb for nine months and give birth, possibly a traumatic birth, then we can have that discussion".
OldNotWIse wrote: » I know it doesnt happen on a regular basis but it just seems that when it DOES hapen, the child comes out the worst.
eviltwin wrote: » That's true and I am not condoning or making excuses. I just think its a lot bigger than a case of murder, there are a lot of psychological factors that can't be ignored if we are to learn from it and stop it happening again.
hairyprincess wrote: » It wasn't me who brought up 'pregnancy and birth affording women exculsive rights, I was replying to others who brought it up, if you care to read back to my posts #24 and #26. It is a non argument, because men cannot carry babies and thus are unaffected in the way a woman is. Those comments were serving to do nothing more than take away from a tragedy. Which seems to not have happened at all, which in fairness is just as tragic; that poor woman obviously has some serious mental health issues. And I will reiterate my hope for her to get all the help she needs. I'm just sorry that peoples lives were put at risk searching for a baby that didn't exist.
OldNotWIse wrote: » How is it "just as tragic" that a baby has not been killed?? It's a relief.
ziggy23 wrote: » Jesus how sad if it is true. I understand women can suffer from Postnatal Depression but if I killed my own child I'd just want someone to shoot me then and there. How could you live with yourself after that.
hairyprincess wrote: » I said that in the belief that the 'mother' told the authorities that her baby was missing. Which means she has serious mental health problems which is extremely tragic. However, the news reports I've looked through have said that a woman and baby were seen falling from the boat. It doesn't mention anything about the woman telling the authorities her baby was missing. Witnesses can often be wrong, hopefully in this case they are
