abouttobebanned wrote: » it seems you're missing the point too. These "wrong people" were living in this area. Hence, in my opinion, it's not a grand place to live.
mikom wrote: » Tell that to Shane Geoghegan.
merlante wrote: » I think you're missing the point. That man who died, died not because he went for a walk along Scotch quay. He died because he knew the wrong people. If the group had been over in his house, instead, we'd be talking about a 'suspicious death' in Spring Garden alley. Where would you prefer to live? Somewhere where every once in a while somebody gets beaten up on the street, or somewhere where nobody ever gets beaten up on the street but where somebody gets killed by acquaintances behind closed doors? I'd take the safe streets, personally. And there'd want to be a lot more murders and stabbings before I'd be reluctant to recommend an area in which I have never witnessed any violence. There are plenty of housing estates where people haven't been murdered but where gangs roam and occasionally attack people. That is not where I would like to live. I remember one year Waterford was named 'murder capital' for its murder rate. Did we all stop recommending Waterford as a place to live? (That was for 4 (!) murders in the city and county that year, by the way.) As far as I'm concerned, these violent incidents are a function of the sort of people the victims hang around with. Until members of the general public start getting preyed upon, beaten up, robbed, etc., I wouldn't hesitate to recommend an area to someone. (You may remember that an individual was beaten to death in the park by a couple of guys with hurleys a few years back. This has stopped neither parents bringing children to the park nor joggers running late into the evening -- and rightly so -- it was a private matter.)
hardybuck wrote: » For me its not a choice between violent attacks in the home or on the street. I've never lived in an area which had either issue. If you go back in time, even the areas which would be considered very tough didn't have this sort of carry on. It has slowly crept into society and become normal for some people. If this man died because he knew the wrong people, I certainly wouldn't want to count them as neighbours or even friends of my neighbours. The incident in the park - I've never brought children there at 3am. It was always dodgy there at night and still is.
merlante wrote: » You wouldn't hear about everything that goes on in your area.
merlante wrote: » Murders are rare enough. They are always felt to be bizarre/horrifying/out of place, wherever they happen, because they are thankfully rare. I would say, without checking the statistics, that murders are down over time. I mean, you only have to go back to the troubles and the formation of the state, etc.
Potential-Monke wrote: » According to this link, the statistics show that Homicide has been steadily increasing in Ireland since 1953 (up to the latest, 2007). There is no breakdown by area, but it still shows a trend...
abouttobebanned wrote: » Please tell me that it wasn't how do that was killed
abouttobebanned wrote: » Yes and I'm hoping its a nasty rumour.
Gardaí are treating the death of Joe O'Brien as suspicious.
merlante wrote: » Jesus, where have you lived? In fairness, there are 100 cops in Waterford and they are there for a reason. You wouldn't necessarily hear about everything that goes on in your area. Murders are rare enough. They are always felt to be bizarre/horrifying/out of place, wherever they happen, because they are thankfully rare. I would say, without checking the statistics, that murders are down over time. I mean, you only have to go back to the troubles and the formation of the state, etc. Statistically speaking, if you want to predict a chance of something really bad kicking off in a group, the criminal records, education and occupations of the group members will be a much better predictor of serious crime than the area one of them happens to live in. Particularly, when there are plenty of students and quite a few families in the area in question and, realistically, they are much less likely to be killing each other. I would also hope that if and when the perpetrator is charged and put away that there wouldn't be too many other would-be murders in the area! Re the park, it's a lot safer than it used to be, even a few years ago. 3am is probably not the safest time to be wandering around anywhere.
jo06555 wrote: » Serious??? I taught him straight away for some reason , harmless owl fella hope not true , only seeing him other day with his plastic cup down on mall
hardybuck wrote: » Jesus where have you lived!? If Gardai ever entered where I grew up in Waterford (Newtown) it would be to investigate a burgulary rather than someone getting attacked on the street or stabbed in the home. If someone didn't cut their grass once a week people would hear about it. I'm sorry if violent attacks became a normal part of life where you lived, and I don't think it should be classed as normal. The criminal records, education and occupation will have an impact on income, and therfore where people decide to live. So basically some areas are rougher than others, i.e. the area where this occured. Thanks for backing up my piont for me. Back to point though, these types of attacks are becoming increasingly frequent. We can't really blame politicians or Gardai for this, people are just getting out of their minds and becoming more and more violent. Were incidents like this happening 20 or 30 years ago?
1967 wrote: » The chap who died was a harmless individual and never put in or out on anybody,yes he liked a drink but that does in no way mean he should have his life taken,the guy arrested is not out of prison long for a very violent offence in the same area five or six years ago,for the intuative people on this forum the guy arrested has a brother with a few dogs
mike65 wrote: » The per 100,000 thing is crazy for murder in Waterford or indeed any Irish county, 1 person get done in its 1 in 100,000 2 get done in its 1 in 50,000 but are you now twice as likely to get murdered? Nope. In 2006 one of the dead was killed by someone passing through if I recall correctly.
BlaasForRafa wrote: » Think I know who you're talking about because I heard that rumour tonight as well.
cocoshovel wrote: » I dont think anybody has read my previous posts
wsopchamp wrote: » As to the debate going on about the safeness of the Scotch quay area..i think crime doesn't discriminate,,all areas are fair game for criminals (in their eyes )..anyone can be murdered,beat up, assaulted, robbed in any area at any time..these people just don't care ,,,although not an every day occurrence it is getting more and more common.
jo06555 wrote: » Yes we know the name Joe o brien but most people would not know these lads on real name terms although I think I'm getting idea of the man would he be wearing cap most times and shouting my town??? Skins I think I remember nickname no??
Potential-Monke wrote: » It's not that lad, this city couldn't be fortunate enough for him to be involved in something like that... (Having to listen to him on a near daily basis, you'd agree).
mike65 wrote: » That's much truer in theory than fact, just as you can trace much of the prison population back to a handful of locations, the majority of violent crimes tend to occur in a relatively small number of areas. For example in Waterford you are much more likely to get done over in Michael Street than Lower Newtown despite the population of the former being much smaller.
wsopchamp wrote: » And i have just come from the lower Newtown area within the last hour and i didnt see 1 door left open..so obviously the residents of that area dont share your views;)
