Xenophile wrote: » P.S. The €50 payment by employers is far too small and I would like to see this increased.
Niles wrote: » In any case I thought there was a rule prohibiting a company with only ten staff from taking on two interns? (Is it not one intern for every ten staff or something like that?). Open to correction though.
Shalashaska wrote: » You are correct, Niles. I shall add my 2c about the Job Bridge scheme. I did a FÁS WPP (different name – same game) some months ago and I am still with them now as a paid employee, thus working out positively for me. Whilst the scheme is noble in its intentions to get fresh graduates the opportunity to get experience, it is clearly reducing the potential for paid job creation, especially at entry-level. However, I think that the employer should have to pay a small supplement (€100-€150 per week) instead of the DSP giving out an extra €50 a week per intern from the ever-strained public purse. OP: You seem to know a lot about this company (who seem genuine in their intentions of giving an opportunity to grads).
Mister Dread wrote: » Abolish the minimum wage and the jobbridge scheme. Let employers pay somebody 250 quid a week themselves if they are looking for internships.
allibastor wrote: » if they really want to mimprove the chances of people getting benificial training from this scheme they should have the employer make a case, or at least some form of proposal to the local DSP to show what they will offer the intern.
Xenophile wrote: » As I mentioned in my opening post employers are not allowed to state on the recruitment ad that candidates may qualify for out of pocket expenses. This is something that applicants must do for themselves.
Boofle wrote: » I am about to begin an internship in a company but this isn't a true 'internship'. . . I am going to be trained up and then the woman who is training me is going on maternity leave! I considered not taking the internship when I was introduced to the lady who I will be replacing and realised she was about 8 months pregnant! I deliberated about whether or not to take up this 'internship' but I have decided that although the company is being ridiculously greedy and actually going against everything Jobbridge is supposed to be about - I will get 6 months experience out of it and I am going crazy not working. :eek: I agree with other posters that the employers could at least pay the paltry €50 to the intern! And in any case €50 isn't going to go very far -once I have paid for transport to and from work, lunches, work clothes etc - just the regular costs of working.
nowayjosie wrote: » When she goes on maternity leave is there someone there to mentor you? if not then they really need to be reported. I know your probably cracking up with having no work - and you will get 6 months experience but the whole concept is wrong, the idea behind it was from what I gather you get mentored right through and well and good if there is a chance to be taken on full time with a wage - but in your case like so many there is a vacancy. This is wrong.
ABajaninCork wrote: » I've commented on other threads about Jobbridge. Personally, I think the Govt have dropped the ball on this one. In principle, I think Jobbridge could be an excellent opportunity to learn new skills and expand on existing ones. But I think the system is WIDE open to abuse. I've seen internships for positions like Forecourt Attendants and Chambermaids in hotels which are clearly not. But there are also some great ones which DO stretch the individuals and have even led to permanent employment. I've reported several ads which appear to abuse the system and am awaiting a response from Welfare. I've also raised the matter with my local TD's. I have to say only one has responded stating that she has raised the matter with Joan Burton. I have yet to receive a response to that too. I feel several questions need to be answered: • Was there a benchmarking exercise carried out to determine what the criteria should be for an internship? • What quality checks are carried out to ensure the system is not abused? (i.e. the position offered is indeed an internship with a real opportunity to learn and train, and not a ‘cheap labour’ role.) • What sanctions (if any) are taken against employers who are shown to abuse the system? • Could prospective interns be discriminated against on grounds of age for example? • How is the success of the employee measured? Is this recorded? • Are there any statistics showing the number/percentage of people who have been successful in obtaining permanent employment following the successful completion of an internship? I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive.
nowayjosie wrote: » ABajaninCork wrote: » I've commented on other threads about Jobbridge. Personally, I think the Govt have dropped the ball on this one. In principle, I think Jobbridge could be an excellent opportunity to learn new skills and expand on existing ones. But I think the system is WIDE open to abuse. I've seen internships for positions like Forecourt Attendants and Chambermaids in hotels which are clearly not. But there are also some great ones which DO stretch the individuals and have even led to permanent employment. I've reported several ads which appear to abuse the system and am awaiting a response from Welfare. I've also raised the matter with my local TD's. I have to say only one has responded stating that she has raised the matter with Joan Burton. I have yet to receive a response to that too. I feel several questions need to be answered: • Was there a benchmarking exercise carried out to determine what the criteria should be for an internship? • What quality checks are carried out to ensure the system is not abused? (i.e. the position offered is indeed an internship with a real opportunity to learn and train, and not a ‘cheap labour’ role.) • What sanctions (if any) are taken against employers who are shown to abuse the system? • Could prospective interns be discriminated against on grounds of age for example? • How is the success of the employee measured? Is this recorded? • Are there any statistics showing the number/percentage of people who have been successful in obtaining permanent employment following the successful completion of an internship? I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive.[/QUO Are you based in Clonmel????????????????
ABajaninCork wrote: » I've commented on other threads about Jobbridge. Personally, I think the Govt have dropped the ball on this one. In principle, I think Jobbridge could be an excellent opportunity to learn new skills and expand on existing ones. But I think the system is WIDE open to abuse. I've seen internships for positions like Forecourt Attendants and Chambermaids in hotels which are clearly not. But there are also some great ones which DO stretch the individuals and have even led to permanent employment. I've reported several ads which appear to abuse the system and am awaiting a response from Welfare. I've also raised the matter with my local TD's. I have to say only one has responded stating that she has raised the matter with Joan Burton. I have yet to receive a response to that too. I feel several questions need to be answered: • Was there a benchmarking exercise carried out to determine what the criteria should be for an internship? • What quality checks are carried out to ensure the system is not abused? (i.e. the position offered is indeed an internship with a real opportunity to learn and train, and not a ‘cheap labour’ role.) • What sanctions (if any) are taken against employers who are shown to abuse the system? • Could prospective interns be discriminated against on grounds of age for example? • How is the success of the employee measured? Is this recorded? • Are there any statistics showing the number/percentage of people who have been successful in obtaining permanent employment following the successful completion of an internship? I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive.[/QUO
nowayjosie wrote: » nowayjosie wrote: » Are you based in Clonmel???????????????? The username should give you a clue....;)
nowayjosie wrote: » Are you based in Clonmel????????????????
ABajaninCork wrote: » nowayjosie wrote: » The username should give you a clue....;) Oh ok - You would use user names as a clue as to where people are based! ok lets see now my user name is nowayjosie so I suppose you can tell where I'm from and the poster " Boofle" is from???? Co. Boofle?? Look never mind I'd an interest in your post up to now.
nowayjosie wrote: » The username should give you a clue....;)
nowayjosie wrote: » ABajaninCork wrote: » Oh ok - You would use user names as a clue as to where people are based! ok lets see now my user name is nowayjosie so I suppose you can tell where I'm from and the poster " Boofle" is from???? Co. Boofle?? Look never mind I'd an interest in your post up to now. I'll break it down for you. A...Bajan...in...CORK.... Got it??
ABajaninCork wrote: » Oh ok - You would use user names as a clue as to where people are based! ok lets see now my user name is nowayjosie so I suppose you can tell where I'm from and the poster " Boofle" is from???? Co. Boofle?? Look never mind I'd an interest in your post up to now.
frag420 wrote: » City or county??:D
ABajaninCork wrote: » nowayjosie wrote: » The username should give you a clue....;) Ok brilliant - now what steps have you taken to find out some of the answers to the questions you have about this?????????
nowayjosie wrote: » ABajaninCork wrote: » Ok brilliant - now what steps have you taken to find out some of the answers to the questions you have about this????????? Why don't you READ and UNDERSTAND what I've previously written? Or is that too much trouble???
ABajaninCork wrote: » Ok brilliant - now what steps have you taken to find out some of the answers to the questions you have about this?????????
ABajaninCork wrote: » nowayjosie wrote: » Why don't you READ and UNDERSTAND what I've previously written? Or is that too much trouble??? I have read your post - according to you - your still waiting on answers - SO I asked you what steps have you taken in getting these ignored questions answered? You also said "I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive" So I just wondered what steps you have taken to get this questions answered - I thought that was a valid question because I have a genuine interest in what you are saying and I agree with you. You were very rude to me in an earlier post - and I ignored it and continued to read the posts on this - including your post with interest - but I find you very rude to communicate. I apologise if I have annoyed you but to be honest I think you could take a leaf out of your own book as the saying goes "respectful and constructive" are two words you used - maybe you should apply them to how you communicate with people who have an interest in what you are saying. The best of luck in your search for answers - I think myself that people are being used and I hope people cop on to this and stop applying for these - as far as I am aware they are not compulsory, but I have heard they may be made compulsory in the future for the longterm unemployed.
nowayjosie wrote: » Why don't you READ and UNDERSTAND what I've previously written? Or is that too much trouble???
nowayjosie wrote: » ABajaninCork wrote: » I have read your post - according to you - your still waiting on answers - SO I asked you what steps have you taken in getting these ignored questions answered? You also said "I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive" So I just wondered what steps you have taken to get this questions answered - I thought that was a valid question because I have a genuine interest in what you are saying and I agree with you. You were very rude to me in an earlier post - and I ignored it and continued to read the posts on this - including your post with interest - but I find you very rude to communicate. I apologise if I have annoyed you but to be honest I think you could take a leaf out of your own book as the saying goes "respectful and constructive" are two words you used - maybe you should apply them to how you communicate with people who have an interest in what you are saying. The best of luck in your search for answers - I think myself that people are being used and I hope people cop on to this and stop applying for these - as far as I am aware they are not compulsory, but I have heard they may be made compulsory in the future for the longterm unemployed. Look. This is dragging what is a great thread off topic. And I'm getting a little bored with the childish comments. I WASN'T rude to you - did you notice the 'smiley'? YOU were very rude & sarcastic to ME. But - no matter. I will answer you. FWIW. We seem to agree. Great. The more people complain and comment about this, the better. I agree that some employers are playing on people's desperation to work and are simply exploiting that to their advantage. DPS have a 20 working day lead time to answer complaints/comments which has not yet passed. That is why I stated I was still awaiting a response. I have diaried my complaint out until next week, then I will contact Welfare again. I will also contact Michael Martin as he seems to be the only Cork TD attending the Dail ATM (from what I have seen on TV!) and he might be able to push for answers. NWJ - Have YOU raised your concerns with your local TD's/Joan Burton? Like I say, the way forward is to make your concerns known to anyone who will listen, rather than having a pop at me...
ABajaninCork wrote: » I have read your post - according to you - your still waiting on answers - SO I asked you what steps have you taken in getting these ignored questions answered? You also said "I have the awful feeling that I may never get a reply. But I am determined to keep raising the issue. This needs to be addressed in a respectful and constructive way rather than going on a rant which could be counterproductive" So I just wondered what steps you have taken to get this questions answered - I thought that was a valid question because I have a genuine interest in what you are saying and I agree with you. You were very rude to me in an earlier post - and I ignored it and continued to read the posts on this - including your post with interest - but I find you very rude to communicate. I apologise if I have annoyed you but to be honest I think you could take a leaf out of your own book as the saying goes "respectful and constructive" are two words you used - maybe you should apply them to how you communicate with people who have an interest in what you are saying. The best of luck in your search for answers - I think myself that people are being used and I hope people cop on to this and stop applying for these - as far as I am aware they are not compulsory, but I have heard they may be made compulsory in the future for the longterm unemployed.
